Reply to: All diesel and petrol car sales to be banned

[WTFH]

Correct, it does mean better traction (grip) though, so unless you drive like a numpty you should be less prone to skidding. A crap driver is still going to crash, eventually.

It only means better traction when you are not coasting or braking and when you are using tyres that are appropriate for the conditions.
And the traction benefits in reduced grip situations are lessened if the car is not permanent 4wd.

[Mordac]

4x4 on summer tyres/low profile ones will generally be less stable than a 2wd with wet/M&S tyres.
4 wheel drive is also 4 wheel drive, it does not mean better braking or steering, again something that many townies fail to realise.

Correct, it does mean better traction (grip) though, so unless you drive like a numpty you should be less prone to skidding. A crap driver is still going to crash, eventually.

[WTFH]

Exactly (you forgot speed bumps). And 4 wheel drive is a lot safer in the wet, snow & ice, i.e. on the 345 days the sun isn't shining.

4x4 on summer tyres/low profile ones will generally be less stable than a 2wd with wet/M&S tyres.
4 wheel drive is also 4 wheel drive, it does not mean better braking or steering, again something that many townies fail to realise.

[al_cam]

And what about the millions' of homes without off-street parking?

May I refer you to my earlier post

Really? So who's giving away all this free electric then, because all the charge points I've ever seen want your cc details, or you need to be on a pre-arranged account. And where do you think all that Lithium for the batteries comes from? I'm still reading up on how catastrophic that process is for the environment, and your average Greenie would ban electric cars in a heartbeat based on some of the stuff I've read so far. If electric really is the future, the planet is still basically buggered, so don't feel too smug about your great "deal". It won't last long when the lost revenue needs to be recouped.

Various organisations pay for it - In the main it is probably all of us via our taxes, but not all (e.g. if you charge at Ikea, you get a credit if you buy stuff in the store, so Ikea pay for it). In Scotland at least, most of the public charge points are covered by one umbrella organisation (Chargeplace Scotland). You register your payment details once. Some "Hosts" cost to charge, some don't and you can see this information in the app. If they do cost to charge then you pay Chargeplace Scotland who then sort out the payments to each of the different hosts thereby keeping things clean and simple for the drivers.
I completely agree about the planet being buggered and I didn't buy the car for that reason, I'm not trying to be smug, just trying to give useful information based on my knowledge and experience.

[Dark Black]

Indeed..

*shock horror* I've just "liked" one of Scooter's posts

Test does prove the point, although as they pointed out in the video, the "4x4" they used for the test wasn't a permanent 4x4. Had they used one of those I'd have expected it to perform somewhat better on summer tyres.

Nevertheless there's nothing wrong with 2wd, driven properly and with the right tyres for the job. The whole "4x4 is safer" thing is simply marketing hype to sell more Chelsea tractors to the masses.

[scooterscot]

A two wheel drive vehicle with a decent set of tyres for the conditions (e.g winter tyres in the winter), and with a driver with a modicum of driving ability*, is perfectly safe...


*something that does seem to be increasingly lacking these days - I swear it's down to complacency and/or laziness due to all the driver aids in modern cars.

Indeed..

[scooterscot]

And 4 wheel drive is a lot safer in the wet, snow & ice, i.e. on the 345 days the sun isn't shining.

I'd reckon having the correct tyres is a lot safer than a 4x4 when it comes to snow and wet. Use your gears when slowing down on ice.

[Dark Black]

And what about paraplegics? How do you give a ninety year old granny a lift? What about high winds and snow?

Eh?

[greenlake]

How do you give a ninety year old granny a lift?

Do you not learn anything from the movies....?

[Paddy]

A two wheel drive vehicle with a decent set of tyres for the conditions (e.g winter tyres in the winter), and with a driver with a modicum of driving ability*, is perfectly safe...


*something that does seem to be increasingly lacking these days - I swear it's down to complacency and/or laziness due to all the driver aids in modern cars.

And what about paraplegics? How do you give a ninety year old granny a lift? What about high winds and snow?

[Dark Black]

Exactly (you forgot speed bumps). And 4 wheel drive is a lot safer in the wet, snow & ice, i.e. on the 345 days the sun isn't shining.

A two wheel drive vehicle with a decent set of tyres for the conditions (e.g winter tyres in the winter), and with a driver with a modicum of driving ability*, is perfectly safe...


*something that does seem to be increasingly lacking these days - I swear it's down to complacency and/or laziness due to all the driver aids in modern cars.

[greenlake]

How do I transport the bodies of my ex-wives?

On yer bike....

[BrilloPad]

so having a boot isn't really required for day to day life anymore.

How do I transport the bodies of my ex-wives?

[Mordac]

Cities should have had something like a congestion charge for all regular vehicles and made bikes/car-bikes exempt along with building trucks and delivery vehicles. We have plenty of grocery delivery services now, so having a boot isn't really required for day to day life anymore.

It isn't if you never have to travel with luggage, or never buy anything larger than a packet of fags, or you don't have children or a dog. Motorbikes have one useful purpose - they provide a ready supply of donor organs.

[Mordac]

Most of the UK roads are now only about 50% tarmac. The rest being missing surface, pot hole and badly repaired lumps.

Exactly (you forgot speed bumps). And 4 wheel drive is a lot safer in the wet, snow & ice, i.e. on the 345 days the sun isn't shining.