Reply to: Theresa's terror network

[Big Blue Plymouth]

So they're not One Direction fans?

They didn't like the baby's knob on the cover of Nevermind

[northernladyuk]

Did that once in Ramadan Friday prayers. Was stuck in there for ages.

Also got my CDs confiscated at the airport. When I got them back, they were heavily defaced with black marker pen.

So they're not One Direction fans?

[Big Blue Plymouth]

One of my colleagues, a Lebanese Christian, had this experience with the muttawa - he wasn't impressed. I was lucky all I had was mis-timing my dinner with evening call to prayer and sitting on my own in an Indian restaurant with the lights turned out and the curtains drawn, for fear of a visit from the muttawa.

Did that once in Ramadan Friday prayers. Was stuck in there for ages.

Also got my CDs confiscated at the airport. When I got them back, they were heavily defaced with black marker pen.

[northernladyuk]

I blame BrExit

And you are of course right in part.

As Theresa May flies out to Saudi Arabia, we should beware of Britain's new Brexit allies | The Independent

If the UK is going to be independent of the EUSSR, then it must hold its nose and find new friends and partners elsewhere.

[northernladyuk]

I'm assuming he is an Italian passort holder...

<didn't read previous posts on this discussion> but yes, I think this will be pulled apart in the investigation and used as a good reason to restrict EU freedom of movement

Unless the UK plans to pull out of the Common Travel Area with Ireland (which it doesn't), it won't stop any EU citizens coming into Ireland and then over the border. The answer is not to confuse the issue with freedom of movement but for the British (and of course Irish) government to at least use existing powers now to stop non-UK nationals who are known to the authorities from entering the Common Travel Area.

[grabri]

Probably. In Riyadh I once saw the Muttawa religious police rounding up people with canes to get them in the mosque.

Then, on a Wednesday night, you'd see all the locals queuing to get into Bahrain to get pissed and go whoring.

One of my colleagues, a Lebanese Christian, had this experience with the muttawa - he wasn't impressed. I was lucky all I had was mis-timing my dinner with evening call to prayer and sitting on my own in an Indian restaurant with the lights turned out and the curtains drawn, for fear of a visit from the muttawa.

[grabri]

Did the third terrorist arrive in the UK to seek asylum?

I'm assuming he is an Italian passort holder...

<didn't read previous posts on this discussion> but yes, I think this will be pulled apart in the investigation and used as a good reason to restrict EU freedom of movement

[BrilloPad]

So what's going on with the inquiry into foreign funding of extremism?

I blame BrExit

[Big Blue Plymouth]

Saudi is not one homogenous state. It has radicals and moderates. Is it not the case that the moderates rule over the radicals, with a fragile enforced stalemate of ideology.

Probably. In Riyadh I once saw the Muttawa religious police rounding up people with canes to get them in the mosque.

Then, on a Wednesday night, you'd see all the locals queuing to get into Bahrain to get pissed and go whoring.

[northernladyuk]

Saudi is not one homogenous state. It has radicals and moderates. Is it not the case that the moderates rule over the radicals, with a fragile enforced stalemate of ideology.

Perhaps the report would shed light on this.

[northernladyuk]

He was born in Morocco, so almost certainly NOT a refugee at any point. Once he had Italian citizenship he was free to travel and live within the EU. The Italians say they told the UK authorities he had tried to go to Syria, so someone in the security services has some awkward questions to answer.

Indeed. Freedom of movement is not absolute and countries can block individuals.

[quackhandle]

Tom from Stevenage gets my vote.

qh

[Mordac]

Unless the government takes terrorism seriously, in which case it must be published so that the problems can be addressed.

That rather depends on one's definition of "seriously" though, doesn't it? Seriously enough to majorly piss off the Saudis? I can't see that happening, can you?

[PurpleGorilla]

This is Cameron's commitment in December 2015, which clearly references May.



Now the Home Office is suggesting it may never be published.

To give Corbyn credit, he has said:



Corbyn has not clarified whether he will take tea with the Saudis and other Gulf states. May, however, is unambiguous about the Saudis:

Saudi is not one homogenous state. It has radicals and moderates. Is it not the case that the moderates rule over the radicals, with a fragile enforced stalemate of ideology.

[Mordac]

Anyone who has read the article you link to would know he appears to be an Italian citizen, so refugees are something of a diversion. The relevant point is that he had been arrested going as an Italian citizen to Syria, but was subsequently allowed into the UK. All this will need to be pulled apart in the investigation.

He was born in Morocco, so almost certainly NOT a refugee at any point. Once he had Italian citizenship he was free to travel and live within the EU. The Italians say they told the UK authorities he had tried to go to Syria, so someone in the security services has some awkward questions to answer.