Reply to: Progressive

[northernladyuk]

And then goes onto say:

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her... husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

The word "love" there is the Greek word "agape", which is self-sacrificing, giving love, with no thought of return. Considered to be the highest form of love.

Unfortunately, some people get stuck in 22-24 and ignore what follows. 'Cos that's a lot more difficult than "wife, obey me!".

Is there? I though it was all just "Child abusers - bad".

Lots of Brexit types get cross when you suggest that the defence of chastisement should be removed from assault against a child.

[NotAllThere]

Ah.

Sorry.

Thought it was about Regressive.

My mistake.

We just need to ask Hallett if he's stopped beating his wife.

[NotAllThere]

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

And then goes onto say:

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her... husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

The word "love" there is the Greek word "agape", which is self-sacrificing, giving love, with no thought of return. Considered to be the highest form of love.

Unfortunately, some people get stuck in 22-24 and ignore what follows. 'Cos that's a lot more difficult than "wife, obey me!".

Good. But there is sometimes a sense of Muslim wife beaters bad, Christian child beaters good.

Is there? I though it was all just "Child abusers - bad".

[Mordac]

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Christ, if I tried spurting that lot to Mrs Mordy, the only dinner I'd be eating would be my own genitals. Thank God I do all the cooking. (Apart from the people who do the take-aways.)
Very happy to be living in the enlightened age of the 21st Century. Not that anyone would actually realise it, obviously.

[northernladyuk]

Yeah. They do. I don't.

Good. But there is sometimes a sense of Muslim wife beaters bad, Christian child beaters good.

[NotAllThere]

But Christians often support child beating.
Proverbs 13:24 Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

Yeah. They do. I don't.

[northernladyuk]

Weird isn't it. That verse says what the benefit of discipline is - it doesn't say "spank your wife" if you think she's gotten out of line.

I think it's also partly (and I've discussed this with Americans from different parts of the US), that the word "discipline" in US English is inextricably linked to physical chastisement, whereas for us who live in more civilised places, it means "instill discipline", which of course is entirely possibly without ever resorting to corporal punishment.

I think it's one of those odd American Christian practices like snake handling, voting republican etc.

But Christians often support child beating.
Proverbs 13:24 Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

[NotAllThere]

Weird isn't it. That verse says what the benefit of discipline is - it doesn't say "spank your wife" if you think she's gotten out of line.

I think it's also partly (and I've discussed this with Americans from different parts of the US), that the word "discipline" in US English is inextricably linked to physical chastisement, whereas for us who live in more civilised places, it means "instill discipline", which of course is entirely possibly without ever resorting to corporal punishment.

I think it's one of those odd American Christian practices like snake handling, voting republican etc.

[northernladyuk]

The UK removed the defence of chastisement for assaulting a wife in 1891. The defence remains for assaulting a child.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastisement

Under Brexit Christian Sharia, we can perhaps expect better legal protection for child beaters. Didn't a recent poll show worrying support for the return of the birch among Brexit supporters?

[scooterscot]

Meanwhile in Christianity... interpretation of Hebrews 12:11 is this supposed to be?

How to Discipline your Wife

A sound lashing is five to ten strokes with your hand, or three to five strokes with a strap; some wives need more. To avoid brusing do not strike the same area in repetition. Gauge your decision to proceed based on your wife's readiness to repent.

You may find it difficult to cause your wife pain, but as a woman she needs the release of guilt that this form of punishment brings. Afterwards, help her up gently and hold her while allowing her to cry for as long as you both feel necessary. If you have children instruct her to wash her face before emerging from the room.

[NotAllThere]

..
Beautiful Surrender: 13 ‘Godly’ Christian Wives Explain Why They Submit To Their Husbands | Thought Catalog

Read the comments - definitely sounds like they're fulfilling a kink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkcnhK2287Y

That was a case of kidnapping and sexual assault. The victim was not having a good time. Doesn't seem really appropriate to use it in this thread.

[darmstadt]

Wife spanking, tied up in chains...them religious people know how to have a good time

Beautiful Surrender: 13 ‘Godly’ Christian Wives Explain Why They Submit To Their Husbands | Thought Catalog

[NotAllThere]

Like most Abrahamic religious texts then.

Only the New Testament really. Deuteronomy was probably compiled around 500BC. The Koran about 600AD.

Some fundamentalist Christians seem to like to go for wife spanking. Although they deny it, it does seem like a Christian bondage network.

Maybe the Hizb ut-Tahrir should really be known as the Islamic bondage network?

[SueEllen]

Indeed but that was written 2000 ish years ago....

Like most Abrahamic religious texts then.

[original PM]

“Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.” (Ephesians 5:22-24)

“When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.” (Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

Indeed but that was written 2000 ish years ago....