Reply to: India freaks out over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

[MyUserName]

You were suppose to emigrate to Germany where you would have been doing dodgy things in cars.

FTFY

[woohoo]

Correct. The Brit is happy with a matching set of golf clubs; the Yank doesn't care that they don't all have swimming pools though.

Might also be something to do with scale. Lots of big tech companies in the US looking to put their cash somewhere. In the UK you have a business friendly environment that speaks English with lots of companies that will help you with a buy out.

[NigelJK]

So free trade with the EU is about to be scrapped, the US will scrap free trade with everyone else and we shouldn't trade with the fastest growing economy in the world

Can we implement a 3 strikes and you're out rule?

[SueEllen]

Did the same but was silly enough to do an MSc in Manufacturing Systems Engineering just as manufacturing fizzled away to nothing.

You were suppose to emigrate to Germany where you would have been doing dodgy things to cars.

[RustyWire]

That's how I got into IT.

Did a government sponsored M.Sc. conversion course under the ET programme (ET=Employment Training, though we thought it was Extra Tenner on top of your dole). You know the one, where you had to have been unemployed for at least 6 months.
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Did the same but was silly enough to do an MSc in Manufacturing Systems Engineering just as manufacturing fizzled away to nothing.

[lilelvis2000]

Comparex? Thought they were just a reseller. They've sold a few licenses of my software for me. They didn't strike me as an innovative, class defining company. I'd lump them in with Insight and SHI.

What my point was though is that if you look through the "Ages Of Computing" you will find that it is completely dominated by US Corporations. This is hardly a revolutionary insight.

The PC manufacturers, the likes of IBM, Dell and Apple. The "First Generation" of PC Software companies - companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, the first generation of internet companies - Google, Amazon, Yahoo. The next generation of internet companies, AirBnB, Uber. The major chip makers - AMD, Intel, Nvidia.

For the last 50 years it's all started in Silicon Valley. Not in London, Paris or Berlin.


Who's currently winning the battle of the cloud? Is it Amazon, Microsoft or Google? Which European ( inc. UK ) company has established a global network of data centres that could seriously challenge one of those 3? Which European company would have the global recognition to reach out to the millions of corporations across the planet and supply them with their basic IT requirements?

So whilst we should lament that in the UK we have not created as many class-defining companies in the IT space as we could have this is not a unique failing of the British.

There is a vibrant IT industry in the UK and in Europe, with small niche software providers, doing good work, providing good jobs but the lion's share is dominated by the US. They are doing all the running.

And that's either because of American Exceptionalism or collective Western-European failure.

USA was awash with cash in the 70's Dunno where Europe was at the time. but possibly still digging it self out of WWII debt?

[LondonManc]

I read somewhere that it was partly due to Brits were happy to retire when the made the first ten million where as the culture in the US was to aim for the first billion.

Correct. The Brit is happy with a matching set of golf clubs; the Yank doesn't care that they don't all have swimming pools though.

[LondonManc]

My Apologies. I did make a logical error. While most Brexiters are thick not all thickos voted for Brexit. I do apologise.

Indeed. You voted remain.

[The_Equalizer]

Comparex? Thought they were just a reseller. They've sold a few licenses of my software for me. They didn't strike me as an innovative, class defining company. I'd lump them in with Insight and SHI.

What my point was though is that if you look through the "Ages Of Computing" you will find that it is completely dominated by US Corporations. This is hardly a revolutionary insight.

The PC manufacturers, the likes of IBM, Dell and Apple. The "First Generation" of PC Software companies - companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, the first generation of internet companies - Google, Amazon, Yahoo. The next generation of internet companies, AirBnB, Uber. The major chip makers - AMD, Intel, Nvidia.

For the last 50 years it's all started in Silicon Valley. Not in London, Paris or Berlin.


Who's currently winning the battle of the cloud? Is it Amazon, Microsoft or Google? Which European ( inc. UK ) company has established a global network of data centres that could seriously challenge one of those 3? Which European company would have the global recognition to reach out to the millions of corporations across the planet and supply them with their basic IT requirements?

So whilst we should lament that in the UK we have not created as many class-defining companies in the IT space as we could have this is not a unique failing of the British.

There is a vibrant IT industry in the UK and in Europe, with small niche software providers, doing good work, providing good jobs but the lion's share is dominated by the US. They are doing all the running.

And that's either because of American Exceptionalism or collective Western-European failure.

I read somewhere that it was partly due to Brits were happy to retire when the made the first ten million where as the culture in the US was to aim for the first billion.

[The_Equalizer]

That's how I got into IT.

Did a government sponsored M.Sc. conversion course under the ET programme (ET=Employment Training, though we thought it was Extra Tenner on top of your dole). You know the one, where you had to have been unemployed for at least 6 months.

That was one of two occasions where I've bothered to write to an MP. And it was to thank the govt for the opportunity to turn my life around.

Then the funding was pulled. Probably had something to do with Blair getting in.

Similar story to mine. I bust my spuds working 14 hours a day in two jobs for 1.5 years to save for the M.Sc. conversion only to be awarded a grant for the course.

[tomtomagain]

Well there's Software AG with around a billion in turnover
Comparex with over 1.5 billion
There's a few more but I can't be bothered plus quite a few are holding companies for smaller firms which act as independent business units (much like SuSE does for the British company Microfocus :-) )

Comparex? Thought they were just a reseller. They've sold a few licenses of my software for me. They didn't strike me as an innovative, class defining company. I'd lump them in with Insight and SHI.

What my point was though is that if you look through the "Ages Of Computing" you will find that it is completely dominated by US Corporations. This is hardly a revolutionary insight.

The PC manufacturers, the likes of IBM, Dell and Apple. The "First Generation" of PC Software companies - companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, the first generation of internet companies - Google, Amazon, Yahoo. The next generation of internet companies, AirBnB, Uber. The major chip makers - AMD, Intel, Nvidia.

For the last 50 years it's all started in Silicon Valley. Not in London, Paris or Berlin.


Who's currently winning the battle of the cloud? Is it Amazon, Microsoft or Google? Which European ( inc. UK ) company has established a global network of data centres that could seriously challenge one of those 3? Which European company would have the global recognition to reach out to the millions of corporations across the planet and supply them with their basic IT requirements?

So whilst we should lament that in the UK we have not created as many class-defining companies in the IT space as we could have this is not a unique failing of the British.

There is a vibrant IT industry in the UK and in Europe, with small niche software providers, doing good work, providing good jobs but the lion's share is dominated by the US. They are doing all the running.

And that's either because of American Exceptionalism or collective Western-European failure.

[original PM]

That's how I got into IT.

Did a government sponsored M.Sc. conversion course under the ET programme (ET=Employment Training, though we thought it was Extra Tenner on top of your dole). You know the one, where you had to have been unemployed for at least 6 months.

That was one of two occasions where I've bothered to write to an MP. And it was to thank the govt for the opportunity to turn my life around.

Then the funding was pulled. Probably had something to do with Blair getting in.

My brother did similar - he has now been at 3M for 20 odd years and has done well climbing the greasy pole.

For the snowflakes out there - he started in a very junior role, paying very little and because he could not afford a car he had to walk 3 miles a day - however he stuck at it and now owns his own house, car and is quite well off - took him about 20 years and he never grew a beard

[Big Blue Plymouth]

Well they could always implement a training program, big enough population.

That's how I got into IT.

Did a government sponsored M.Sc. conversion course under the ET programme (ET=Employment Training, though we thought it was Extra Tenner on top of your dole). You know the one, where you had to have been unemployed for at least 6 months.

That was one of two occasions where I've bothered to write to an MP. And it was to thank the govt for the opportunity to turn my life around.

Then the funding was pulled. Probably had something to do with Blair getting in.

[sasguru]

It's clearly been difficult for you to read that I didn't vote for or against Brexit

My Apologies. I did make a logical error. While most Brexiters are thick not all thickos voted for Brexit. I do apologise.

[darmstadt]

Yeah but you could say that about most EU countries.

The Germans have SAP true, don't know another German one though. As for the French, Italians, Dutch and so on - they are just as bad as us.

Well there's Software AG with around a billion in turnover
Comparex with over 1.5 billion
There's a few more but I can't be bothered plus quite a few are holding companies for smaller firms which act as independent business units (much like SuSE does for the British company Microfocus :-) )