Reply to: Southern Rail Protests and Crowd Funding a Judicial Review

[SueEllen]

I still can't see the point of a judicial review. Of what?

And now the London mayor has stated his intent of bringing more people into London. Why can't someone get his office to fork out for improvements.

The judicial review is to help guide the Department of Transport to hand the franchise management over to the Mayor of London and relevant councils in the SE quicker than what they plan to do.

One trick used by governments, and unfortunately I can only remember IDS doing this, is if there is a judicial review you ensure it is irrelevant by changing the rules. In the case of Southern if you dump the overseeing of the franchise on Mayor of London and local councils then the ruling is irrelevant.

[Paddy]

I still can't see the point of a judicial review. Of what?

And now the London mayor has stated his intent of bringing more people into London. Why can't someone get his office to fork out for improvements.

As others have said, other parts of the country aren't great either.

Why? Southern made £100,000,000 profit last year.

[GB9]

I still can't see the point of a judicial review. Of what?

And now the London mayor has stated his intent of bringing more people into London. Why can't someone get his office to fork out for improvements.

As others have said, other parts of the country aren't great either.

[SueEllen]

Like Monday before last, cancelled because driver did not turn up

It doesn't happen on every single train though and delays aren't generally due to their general management uselessness, so this is where it differs from Southern.

BTW guards on SWT are more suited for the Gestapo.

Agreed.

They are always willing to accuse the passenger of lying first and threatening them with a fine e.g. when gates break, TFL tell people to use them as an alternative route before investigating if what the passenger says is true.

[Paddy]

That's complete tulip - while SWT have a habit of playing around with the timetable so connections don't work, the trains run unless there is flooding, fire or planned engineering works on the line.

Also when SWT guards went on strike Stagecoach just got staff from other parts of the country and managers to be guards. The guards never went on strike again. Southern's owners can't do that as they don't even have enough staff even to run their other lines.

Like Monday before last, cancelled because driver did not turn up
BTW guards on SWT are more suited for the Gestapo.

[SueEllen]

The same happens on SW Trains and even worse SW Train Journies are more expensive than Southern.

That's complete tulip - while SWT have a habit of playing around with the timetable so connections don't work, the trains run unless there is flooding, fire or planned engineering works on the line.

Also when SWT guards went on strike Stagecoach just got staff from other parts of the country and managers to be guards. The guards never went on strike again. Southern's owners can't do that as they don't even have enough staff even to run their other lines.

[SueEllen]

Sorry but you will get very little sympathy from those unaffected, up in the north we would pray for a service as bad as Southern, once you have been on a pacer train you will understand why

I've been on one in the past couple of years. The train turned up on time. Though when it arrived I thought I had gone back to my childhood...

[LondonManc]

Sorry but you will get very little sympathy from those unaffected, up in the north we would pray for a service as bad as Southern, once you have been on a pacer train you will understand why

+1

Southern probably seems so bad because the rest of the London and surrounding area network is so good.

[SimonMac]

Sorry but you will get very little sympathy from those unaffected, up in the north we would pray for a service as bad as Southern, once you have been on a pacer train you will understand why

[Paddy]

That's because there is a larger amount of people who live in the SE for the size of the area, and while the SE includes London not everyone lives in London so they don't have access to all the tube, bus services, trams, overground and train services in London.

In fact of you live in one of the Home Counties and don't live in a large town or city you get to suffer the same sh*t bus services as everyone else in the country who doesn't live in a city/large town.

Anyway Southern's provision of public transport leaves a lot to be desired. Many scheduled services don't turn up at all, turn up late with 4 carriages when the train is rammed if there are 12 carriages, or they change the timetable so they cancel all trains going through particular stations.

There are other train operators in the SE yet you don't hear people constantly moaning about them simply because their management isn't as incompetent.

The same happens on SW Trains and even worse SW Train Journies are more expensive than Southern.

[SueEllen]

No but it's what GB9 is complaining about

Public transport is far better in the south east, no doubt about it.

That's because there is a larger amount of people who live in the SE for the size of the area, and while the SE includes London not everyone lives in London so they don't have access to all the tube, bus services, trams, overground and train services in London.

In fact of you live in one of the Home Counties and don't live in a large town or city you get to suffer the same sh*t bus services as everyone else in the country who doesn't live in a city/large town.

Anyway Southern's provision of public transport leaves a lot to be desired. Many scheduled services don't turn up at all, turn up late with 4 carriages when the train is rammed if there are 12 carriages, or they change the timetable so they cancel all trains going through particular stations.

There are other train operators in the SE yet you don't hear people constantly moaning about them simply because their management isn't as incompetent.

[LondonManc]

That's not what they are complaining about.

Oh and as a taxpayer you should be p*ssed that Southern rail bosses are milking it but not providing a service.

No but it's what GB9 is complaining about

Public transport is far better in the south east, no doubt about it.

[LondonManc]

I've seen the house prices in the south. Everyone is a millionaire. It's in the Daily Mail every week and you're having to have a whip round?

Should just be a lottery and the loser has to sell up to fund it.

[scooterscot]

I was wondering if any of the well-heeled community here would be interested in donating to improve our chances of getting to work on time, and getting home on time, by train?

I've seen the house prices in the south. Everyone is a millionaire. It's in the Daily Mail every week and you're having to have a whip round?

[SueEllen]

Why can't you pay the actual cost of transport instead of expecting subsidies from the rest of the country?

That's not what they are complaining about.

Oh and as a taxpayer you should be p*ssed that Southern rail bosses are milking it but not providing a service.