Reply to: "Sir" Bradley Wiggins

[minestrone]

Uncontrolled weight loss would not be a good thing for a person in that physique 3 days before an event.

its either coming from muscle which he has trained to build or fat which he will have at a level which was calculated months before the race.

And as I said previously the levels of other asthma/allergy drugs allowed is at a serious low level, on drugs that are not performance beneficial. Who knows what amounts have to be taken of the drug in an abuse scenario, I doubt he came even close with one shot per year.

And as said the main protagonists in this case are other competitors and employees of other competitors. I think that speaks for itself.

[Paddy]

I'm no doctor, but he had the injections just before he raced? How could he build muscle mass over night? With Armstrong it was EPO / Oxygenated blood. I don't claim to be an expert, but if he applied to use the drug and it was approved, how is this unethical? So Wiggins was ensuring that he wouldn't have a breathing episode during a race.

There is a lot of money at stake here - Are you sure the other cyclists are not making a bid for some of the sponsorship money?

Steroids are not just to build muscle mass. The effect is to ease the air ways and stop inflammation of the lungs. When Mr Average cyclist is going up hill and gets puffed out with his lungs hurting, Mr Dope has it easy.

[SueEllen]

I'm no doctor, but he had the injections just before he raced? How could he build muscle mass over night? With Armstrong it was EPO / Oxygenated blood. I don't claim to be an expert, but if he applied to use the drug and it was approved, how is this unethical? So Wiggins was ensuring that he wouldn't have a breathing episode during a race.

There is a lot of money at stake here - Are you sure the other cyclists are not making a bid for some of the sponsorship money?

Wiggins is suppose to be retiring at the end of the road race season e.g. now so smearing him means he cannot do anything involved in cycling post-retirement. Plus his Olympic medals will be removed.

In addition if he's smeared then you can try and smear Team Sky by association plus British Cycling. Cyclists from the Netherlands, France etc already call British Cycling cheats due to the cyclist only performing at the top to ensure they maintain lottery funding. Oh and if you smear British Cycling you then you smear all other sports by association so the Russian Hackers would have won by saying Russia is not the only dirty team out their but Britain are as well.

They have already tried that with the US by picking on the likes of the Williams' sisters and that gymnast but it failed as they all have well documented medical conditions.

[SueEllen]

I am no doctor but as I understand it the impact of the steroid he took was actually more likely to result in rapid weight loss as opposed to facilitating muscle building. Kind of like a boxer losing weight before a big fight I'd guess.

There's a reason it's on the banned list and other cyclists have said (see David Millar) "it's the most potent steroid they took to enhance their performance".

The whole thing stinks in my view.

When I was younger I knew a few boxers and people who did martial arts in competitions. They lost weight before the weigh-in, which was normally the day before, by sweating out loads and basically dehydrating themselves e.g. saunas, after the weigh in they would then drink loads otherwise they would be too dehydrated to fight the next day. Cycling is an endurance sport so losing water before you race then cycling would mean you would under perform.

Finally if you want to cheat you can take micro-doses of EPO and steriods which will improve your performance over the years which are not detectable on drug tests or the passport they have put in place. There is absolutely no need to ask for a TUE if you do that.

[oracleslave]

I'm no doctor, but he had the injections just before he raced? How could he build muscle mass over night? With Armstrong it was EPO / Oxygenated blood. I don't claim to be an expert, but if he applied to use the drug and it was approved, how is this unethical? So Wiggins was ensuring that he wouldn't have a breathing episode during a race.

There is a lot of money at stake here - Are you sure the other cyclists are not making a bid for some of the sponsorship money?

I am no doctor but as I understand it the impact of the steroid he took was actually more likely to result in rapid weight loss as opposed to facilitating muscle building. Kind of like a boxer losing weight before a big fight I'd guess.

There's a reason it's on the banned list and other cyclists have said (see David Millar) "it's the most potent steroid they took to enhance their performance".

The whole thing stinks in my view.

[SueEllen]

1% of people are thought to have Celiac disease, which is when gluten causes your immune system to start trying to kill your own small bowel. That causes physical damage, which is rather different to people who think they get a funny tummy when eating certain things and assume it must be an intolerance to gluten.

It's still better than my immune system that tries to kill my own small bowel for no reason at all.

Allergies and intolerances are completely different.

I have both.

The former emotionally scares people if you have a reaction, while the latter can scare other people's senses. 😁

[VectraMan]

The science on gluten intolerance is showing that it is a load of nonsense

1% of people are thought to have Celiac disease, which is when gluten causes your immune system to start trying to kill your own small bowel. That causes physical damage, which is rather different to people who think they get a funny tummy when eating certain things and assume it must be an intolerance to gluten.

It's still better than my immune system that tries to kill my own small bowel for no reason at all.

[minestrone]

The science on gluten intolerance is showing that it is a load of nonsense

[LondonManc]

There are actual tests for nut allergies though most people don't need them and as allergies can kill, you are better of giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Those who are seriously allergic like some of my relations walk around with eipens.

There as others of us e.g. myself and one of my sisters' - eat certain nuts and go "Look I've got this weird rash/swelling" then watch everyone around you start freaking.

Gluten intolerance like other intolerances are real and can be unpleasant, but while they don't kill directly the side effects can in vulnerable people.

Only a female could post that on here and get away with it

[SueEllen]

Far more people claim to have asthma than really do have asthma. It is as fashionable as having a nut allergy or gluten intolerance.

There are actual tests for nut allergies though most people don't need them and as allergies can kill, you are better of giving people the benefit of the doubt.

Those who are seriously allergic like some of my relations walk around with eipens.

There as others of us e.g. myself and one of my sisters' - eat certain nuts and go "Look I've got this weird rash/swelling" then watch everyone around you start freaking.

Gluten intolerance like other intolerances are real and can be unpleasant, but while they don't kill directly the side effects can in vulnerable people.

[minestrone]

Far more people claim to have asthma than really do have asthma. It is as fashionable as having a nut allergy or gluten intolerance.

On a personal note, a few years ago I contracted whooping cough from a fellow contractor. Hammersmith hospital misdiagnosed it as a common cold but two days later I ended up in the local A&E. Among other medication I was put on a brown and pink inhaler. It took almost a year to completely recover. I am not an asthmatic but have been given inhalers as a reserve just in case the condition comes back. I only needed to take in one since then, the effect of taking the inhaler is incredible and has a distinct advantage for someone doing any exercise.

eh, you get diagnosed with it.

[minestrone]

They aren't.

You can easily do some research into cycling, running and others sports via Google.

If you are open about your condition and your doctors apply for an exemption in time then you aren't banned.


Edited to say: It's the people who miss drug tests e.g. a certain Ms Armistead who are more suspicious.

The levels of usage allowed are small and very easy to go over them with light usage. Volandri got a high level of salbutamol found in his urine and got banned despite having an exemption for it and using the inhaler as directed by his doctor for his condition.

Knowing that it makes perfect sense to me why someone with allergies & asthma would take a single shot before an event like the tour de france.

[Paddy]

linky Dated April 30 2016

Far more people claim to have asthma than really do have asthma. It is as fashionable as having a nut allergy or gluten intolerance.

On a personal note, a few years ago I contracted whooping cough from a fellow contractor. Hammersmith hospital misdiagnosed it as a common cold but two days later I ended up in the local A&E. Among other medication I was put on a brown and pink inhaler. It took almost a year to completely recover. I am not an asthmatic but have been given inhalers as a reserve just in case the condition comes back. I only needed to take in one since then, the effect of taking the inhaler is incredible and has a distinct advantage for someone doing any exercise.

[SueEllen]

About 7% of the population have some sort of asthmatic problems, a severe attack that requires intravenous intervention is very very rare yet for some very odd medical reason the cyclist is prescribed intravenous intervention as a precaution prior to racing contrary to general medical advice. A bit like a porn-star taking Viagra and claiming it’s not to help them with their erections. Cheat, cheat and cheat

linky Dated April 30 2016

CyclingTips: First off, with regards to the Simon Yates positive, a lot of people are asking ‘why do elite athletes have this asthma?’ The condition appears to be quite prevalent…

Conor McGrane: It is. Asthma affects between five and 20% of the population. With elite athletes, the incidences are higher.

There are a few thoughts about the reasons for this. Sometimes it is because people with asthma drift towards certain sports. There is a thinking that they drift towards swimming because there is very humid air [in swimming pool centres ed.], which seems to helps asthma, and towards cycling because it is a more progressive sport [note: favours progressive efforts rather than sharp, sudden ones – ed.].

Also, because elite athletes are pushing themselves to the limits, they tend to use lung capacities that normal people never use. And they would also be affected by smaller flare-ups of asthma. In other words, mild variances of it would cause a more serious effect on them.

[Paddy]

About 7% of the population have some sort of asthmatic problems, a severe attack that requires intravenous intervention is very very rare yet for some very odd medical reason the cyclist is prescribed intravenous intervention as a precaution prior to racing contrary to general medical advice. A bit like a porn-star taking Viagra and claiming it’s not to help them with their erections. Cheat, cheat and cheat