Reply to: Calais jungle camp to move to Dover

[BlasterBates]

How would they get here?

In a boat - we have a navy.

If they get past that and turn up on dry land we have an army and a police force

Maybe we need to start using them to protect our borders?

Probably they would get there in the same way they used to 16 years ago before the French agreed to allow the UK to move the border.

[meridian]

How would they get here?

In a boat - we have a navy.

If they get past that and turn up on dry land we have an army and a police force

Maybe we need to start using them to protect our borders?

Are you related to Katy Hopkins?

[original PM]

Looks like there could well be a lot of jungle camps across the South of England.

EXCLUSIVE - 'It will take us back to the chaos of 15 years ago': UK Border Force warns tens of thousands of illegal immigrants a year could land in Dover if Calais border controls are scrapped | Daily Mail Online

How would they get here?

In a boat - we have a navy.

If they get past that and turn up on dry land we have an army and a police force

Maybe we need to start using them to protect our borders?

[BlasterBates]

Looks like there could well be a lot of jungle camps across the South of England.

EXCLUSIVE - 'It will take us back to the chaos of 15 years ago': UK Border Force warns tens of thousands of illegal immigrants a year could land in Dover if Calais border controls are scrapped | Daily Mail Online

[SueEllen]

Newsflash - they are NOT going to UK because of benefits.

Waste of time explaining to some people that the reason they are coming to the UK is that we don't have ID cards plus employers in the restaurant and building trade for example, who don't like employing people on wages that are NMW or higher save money by hiring them. Until the managers and directors of these companies are put in prison for a couple of months instead of being fined this won't stop. The same with landlords/letting agents/lead tenants who are happy to rent bed out to them in dangerous overcrowded properties.

[OwlHoot]

Why would it move to Dover?

Once they are over here they will just find somewhere to live...

and when some of these new hordes of immigrants inevitably start misbehaving, people in the UK will be more in favour than ever of a proper Brexit!

So although it may give them a brief satisfaction, ending this Le Toquet agreement will be a case of the Froggies shooting themselves in the foot.

(and it will make the Calais region even more crowded, as loads more immigrants will turn up in the justified belief they can get to the UK more easily).

[AtW]

Assuming they can find the money for the ticket, who's going to stop them?

BTW the tunnel terminal isn't in Dover. It's in Folkestone.

Assuming? They'll get free 1st class TGV tickets as soon as they cross into Germany so that they get to Dover.

[AtW]

Easy to stop overnight..

Andrea Leadsom: Any migrant deemed to have arrived from France will only be able to claim 30% of the benefit levels offered by France for the first 10 years of their residence in UK
Liberal Elite: You can't do that - it's against EU law
Andrea Leadsom: EU law means nothing to us. We make the rules now, we run this b**ch, we're the daddy
Economic Migrant At Calais: Sod that for a game of soldiers, I'm staying in France. Might go to Germany or Sweden as they offer better benefits.

Newsflash - they are NOT going to UK because of benefits.

[SueEllen]

That's Eurostar. Eurotunnel don't use their staff to check passports, and neither do the ferry companies, and that's where the illegals are attacking. Heaping the cost onto the operators just means they'll charge more and that means the costs are put onto the legitimate users. Great.

People are actually caught trying to get back into the UK at the ferry ports on the French side as like you they think that the ferry has lax border security as they allow anyone out.

[VectraMan]

So there's your answer Vectraman. It's 10 years since I last travelled on Eurostar, so I couldn't remember who checked what and where.

That's Eurostar. Eurotunnel don't use their staff to check passports, and neither do the ferry companies, and that's where the illegals are attacking. Heaping the cost onto the operators just means they'll charge more and that means the costs are put onto the legitimate users. Great.

[Support Monkey]

If the French did what they were supposed to do under EU rules and returned any migrant to the country they came from/through, they wouldn't be a camp in Calais

[Mordac]

It's still the same situation we have now. There'll still be thousands of people ending up in jungles because they can't get on the ferry/train, so from the French point of view it makes no difference. And the UK government can't send UKBA staff onto French soil without France's permission, and neither can the UK government force Eurostar or whoever to do anything in France without France's say so.

The only way it's different for the French is if everybody can get on the trains/ferries and it's up to the UK authorities to sort it out in Kent.

And it would be inconceivable for the Frenchies to encourage this or "assist" them in any way whatsoever, wouldn't it?

[Mordac]

Eurostar already use their own staff for passport and security checks. UKBA do an extra check which is linked into their database so that undesirables don't get into the UK...HTH

So there's your answer Vectraman. It's 10 years since I last travelled on Eurostar, so I couldn't remember who checked what and where.

[VectraMan]

That's not what I was suggesting - they should be operated by UKBA (at least initially), but to be fair, if you take a BA flight from virtually anywhere to the UK, all passport checks are done by local BA staff (or agents), local security and immigration, and finally by departure gate staff, who could be BA staff or local agents. Why not have a similar system in place for Eurostar and the ferries? After all, if the airlines can get it to work pretty well, why not the others?

It's still the same situation we have now. There'll still be thousands of people ending up in jungles because they can't get on the ferry/train, so from the French point of view it makes no difference. And the UK government can't send UKBA staff onto French soil without France's permission, and neither can the UK government force Eurostar or whoever to do anything in France without France's say so.

The only way it's different for the French is if everybody can get on the trains/ferries and it's up to the UK authorities to sort it out in Kent.

[SimonMac]

Why do you assume they would be let across the border at all?

Because the border is 3 miles out to sea, once they are waved off the French shore they will be our problem