Reply to: WFH semi-boom

[kaiser78]

I agree with NLUK for once!

Its not a right - its just too easy to skive when WFH. I can see why a client may be wary.

Been here over 18 months at current client so they know how crap I am!!!! :-)

I won't labour the point, but I didn't say it is a right, but more of an accepted working culture these days, which is a slightly different.

[psychocandy]

How can it be an accepted way? For a start we supply services to clients. We deliver what the client wants with some flexibility depending on the gig. Where can we have an accepted way of working when the client has the requirements and that requirement changes client per client. You may dictate your working terms before you sign a contract by all means but they are your terms of engagement, not an accepted way of working.

Yes in this day and age there is no technology blocker as to why we can't work from home but particularly with contractors this needs to be managed on a case by case basis. Far too many slackers out there spoiling it for the rest of us so not unreasonable for a client to say no until you've proved you can deliver. So many times I rock up to clients and see contractors taking the piss with the WFH. I don't know who they think they are kidding, can't get hold of them, output drops, waffle when it comes to status meetings. Sadly the clients don't deal with it properly and it's allowed to go on.

We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't believe it's a right or a way or working. IMO It's a negotiation point that varies from client to client but not unreasonable for a client to say no at least in the early stages.

And I would also say its a culture thing in some clients (and also with some client managers). They just dont like WFH. I had a bit of a job getting anything sorted this time - all because one manager just doesnt like it and doesnt want the permies doing it at all. Took a while to convince him that I wasnt like the permies and in fact did different thing.

Good IR35 pointer eh nluk? Permies not allowed I am

[psychocandy]

I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly tulip contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

I agree with NLUK for once!

Its not a right - its just too easy to skive when WFH. I can see why a client may be wary.

Been here over 18 months at current client so they know how crap I am!!!! :-)

[northernladuk]

Sorry I don't agree with this ! I am not saying it is a right, just an accepted way of working today, even for contractors. For me I always make sure that wfh agreement is made before I sign a contract, albeit not the first thing I would bring up at interview...

How can it be an accepted way? For a start we supply services to clients. We deliver what the client wants with some flexibility depending on the gig. Where can we have an accepted way of working when the client has the requirements and that requirement changes client per client. You may dictate your working terms before you sign a contract by all means but they are your terms of engagement, not an accepted way of working.

Yes in this day and age there is no technology blocker as to why we can't work from home but particularly with contractors this needs to be managed on a case by case basis. Far too many slackers out there spoiling it for the rest of us so not unreasonable for a client to say no until you've proved you can deliver. So many times I rock up to clients and see contractors taking the piss with the WFH. I don't know who they think they are kidding, can't get hold of them, output drops, waffle when it comes to status meetings. Sadly the clients don't deal with it properly and it's allowed to go on.

We'll have to disagree on this one. I don't believe it's a right or a way or working. IMO It's a negotiation point that varies from client to client but not unreasonable for a client to say no at least in the early stages.

[kaiser78]

I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly tulip contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

Sorry I don't agree with this ! I am not saying it is a right, just an accepted way of working today, even for contractors. For me I always make sure that wfh agreement is made before I sign a contract, albeit not the first thing I would bring up at interview...

[northernladuk]

These days wfh 1 day per week should be the norm even for contractors - as you say 1 day in 10 is better than no days.

I don't agree with this. I don't think WFH should be the norm and particularly for contractors in this day and age. The number of utterly tulip contractors on the scene is growing due to it becoming the normal method of engagement. If anything I'd be looking for contractors to prove their worth before engaging in discussions about flexibility. IMO it's a tool to be used in the right circumstances, not a right.

[kaiser78]

Got client to agree to 1 day per fortnight WFH but no fixed day. Hey ho - was hoping for one day per week but better than nothing.

And as long as I dont tell the permies about this agreement lol.

These days wfh 1 day per week should be the norm even for contractors - as you say 1 day in 10 is better than no days.

[psychocandy]

I thought it was established he's inside IR35 anyway.

Yes Im not as important as some of you.

[psychocandy]

No fixed day for WFH? So you've just negotiated your way in to D&C?

Yeh right if you say so. So you're saying that just because client, whos paying by the way, asks that you are available on site at some times, thats D&C. I don't think so.

[psychocandy]

Not if you're scared to get abuse about JSA. Different rules apply then.

You are kidding right?

You might have noticed I dont give a monkeys

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

I thought it was established he's inside IR35, with a free life times supply of lube, anyway.

[Old Greg]

No fixed day for WFH? So you've just negotiated your way in to D&C?

I thought it was established he's inside IR35 anyway.

[MrMarkyMark]

Don't try WFH with a semi

I'm sure he won't

[barrydidit]

Don't try WFH with a semi

[MrMarkyMark]

You negotiated FFS....well done