Reply to: Brexit or not, it's time to dismantle the NHS

[BlasterBates]

It will be interesting to see how the German system copes with an extra 1million migrants per annum.

Without any problems at all.

[SueEllen]

It will be interesting to see how the German system copes with an extra 1million migrants per annum.

Since they will have to pay for their healthcare won't be an issue.

In fact the few corrupt GPs won't be scamming the system by registering non-EU migrants for a large fee. Or haven't you heard of that scam?

[darmstadt]

It will be interesting to see how the German system copes with an extra 1million migrants per annum.

Well seeing as quite a few of those migrant people are of the professional class which includes doctors in various areas of medecine but also other healthcare professionals then quite well as they'll integrate straight in and provide the services required to those that aren't. Missed out on a cheap reliable professional work force there did the UK

[PurpleGorilla]

There's no question that health policy will be dictated to us.
But we should look at systems like the French and German and copy them, as they work better than ours.

It will be interesting to see how the German system copes with an extra 1million migrants per annum.

[sasguru]

Never mind, after the brexit vote to remain in the EU there will be more EU rules across the 'state', including health policy. What is the german system? That is what we'll end up with.

There's no question that health policy will be dictated to us.
But we should look at systems like the French and German and copy them, as they work better than ours.

[Hobosapien]

While the current NHS is obviously not fit for purpose, would it be worth risking going to the yankie version which even they accept is wrong with all that 'obamacare' stuff.

You only have to see how the UK veterinary system has become corrupted by a similar insurance led approach to the yank health system to see it isn't a better solution. Try getting a pet cared for without insurance and see how cheap it no longer is. A total scam to get everyone paying the insurance.

Never mind, after the brexit vote to remain in the EU there will be more EU rules across the 'state', including health policy. What is the german system? That is what we'll end up with.

[psychocandy]

I agree with OP. OK its free but ultimately its crap.

Anyone who has been at the mercy of the NHS in the last few years will know this.

Yes its great that no-one has to pay for it but its still a below-par service.

Part of the problem is theres no accountability. Ever tried complaining? pointless. And of course in this country its put on a pedestal and how dare anyone criticise the good old NHS.

[PurpleGorilla]

1000 private companies taking a cut.

If it works for rail...

LMFAO

[Old Greg]

You sound like my grandparents crowing about the NHS back in the 1960s

Laughing stock of the World more like, with the money poured into it, and the Stalinist control exerted over healthcare.

The UK ranks fairly low for government expenditure on healthcare. Maybe that's the problem.

Also, why don't you look up Stalinism in an encyclopaedia?

[OwlHoot]

The NHS is one of the great achievements of the UK, it's envied all over the world. ...

You sound like my grandparents crowing about the NHS back in the 1960s

Laughing stock of the World more like, with the money poured into it, and the Stalinist control exerted over healthcare.

[Unix]

The NHS is one of the great achievements of the UK, it's envied all over the world. The only reason it isn't copied is because super rich and power people in those countries don't want/need it and they make the decisions. They own the media and push articles like the one your new "opinion" is copied from.

HTH BIDI

[scooterscot]

I wonder how different things would be if NI were indeed used to pay for the NHS... and not all the other hidden taxes.

[OwlHoot]

You're almost as bad as Xog with the senility

I was simply pointing out that remaining in the EU will very likely result in a TTIP deal being agreed that compels the NHS to be privatised.

As I previously mentioned, that doesn't bother me anymore than you say it does you. But for most people in the UK it is a doomsday scenario, hence the advantage I pointed out which the Brexiters will have in bringing it up.

My only objection to TTIP, and a privatised NHS, is litigation that forces democratically elected governments to yield to large US corporations.

You're so used to combative discussions here you don't notice when someone is agreeing with you for once!

[sasguru]

If timid, undecided remainers could be persuaded, or rather simply reminded, that a TTIP deal between the EU and US would very likely demand the privatisation of the NHS to allow US competition for medical services then the Brexit campaign would walk it by a landslide!

I'm all in favour of privatising the NHS, with strictly limited medical liability and a set scale of compensation payments, to avoid the absurd amount of litigation and health insurance expense they suffer in the US.

But to most people in the UK it is almost literally a sacred institution, venerated as superstitious mediaevil peasants once did the holy Mother Church!

Oh and if you want TTIP you need to vote to remain in the EU.
You're almost as bad as Xog with the senility

[sasguru]

If timid, undecided remainers could be persuaded, or rather simply reminded, that a TTIP deal between the EU and US would very likely demand the privatisation of the NHS to allow US competition for medical services then the Brexit campaign would walk it by a landslide!

I'm all in favour of privatising the NHS, with strictly limited medical liability and a set scale of compensation payments, to avoid the absurd amount of litigation and health insurance expense they suffer in the US.

But to most people in the UK it is almost literally a sacred institution, venerated as superstitious mediaevil peasants once did the holy Mother Church!

Don't mention the US. I certainly don't want that system. Why on earth would you want a system that spends 16% of GDP, yet can't pay for its poorest and has worse outcomes even for its richest?