Reply to: Penalise them

[xoggoth]

I keep hearing that one gets charged for scrapping a car. They took away my old van some months back for free AND they came and collected it.

[sparklelard]

People seem to forget that lucury cars are at the top of the tree for emissions from private cars.

Jags, Mercs and BMW's produce more CO2 than a Landrover Discovery. And some of them have bigger foot prints.

Diesel is also must more emissions efficient than petrol.

[Troll]

I have not one but two gas guzzling 4x4's...nice to know by doing so I piss so many people off

[BoredBloke]

"In France they gave a tax rabate for buying a new car if you scrapped an old one"

Whereas in the UK you have to pay to get it scrapped and so it ends its days rusting away at the end of a street and it's left to the council tax payers to pick up the tab for it.

[expat]

These cars will be sold to 3rd world then where they will continue to pollute, and you will have a new car, so actually more cars will be driving.

The solution is to increase tax on petrol to make people switch to diesel - this would cut CO2 pretty well.

In France they gave a tax rabate for buying a new car if you scrapped an old one.

Less pollution, more car sales.

[Swiss Tony]

If the Bleeding heart lib's really want to make a difference, how about trying to reduce the emissions on busses and lorries? Surely they contribute to the problem as much as cars. I know there are a couple of hydrogen run busses (or something to that effect) but why not make their whole fleet more efficient?

With a tax incentive for business that run these fleets a major emission reduction could start to take effect. Carbon Credits do not seem to be having the desired effects other than just passing the buck.

If they started to pave the way for a reduction in emissions I’m sure the idea would catch on rather than just imposing a tax and pissing off the general public.

[Paddy]

Why dont we also tax those with old cars?

After all, old cars produce more co2 than new cars!


Mailman

Oh no they don’t. Newer cars use catalytic converters, ie they convert Co1 to Co2 . Carbon monoxide is NOT a greenhouse gas. The order cars produce C01 but little C02. C01 is on poisonous in a confined space. It was the green lobby who lobbied for catalytic converters that now cause the green house gas.

[Mordac]

But surely when the car is parked its emitting zero emissions... or am i missing something?

No, you're not missing anything. It's a LibDoom council. I live in Richmond and they are a pigging nightmare. I'm thinking of buying a 4x4 because the roads are so tulip. One of my neighbours is selling his mini because he keeps losing it in potholes.

[AtW]

Why not encourage the replacemnet of older cars

These cars will be sold to 3rd world then where they will continue to pollute, and you will have a new car, so actually more cars will be driving.

The solution is to increase tax on petrol to make people switch to diesel - this would cut CO2 pretty well.

[BoredBloke]

"Why dont we also tax those with old cars?"

Why not encourage the replacemnet of older cars - make the company car tax system more attractive and many of the older and more inefficient cars would be removed pretty quickly - like mine!

[Generalist]

Why dont we also tax those with old cars?

After all, old cars produce more co2 than new cars!

Mailman

There is more energy used and pollution generated in making a new car than continuing to use an old car. Could the good folk of Richmond avoid the tax by converting their 4x4s to LPG? Useful if the congestion charge exemption still stands when the CC zone is extended westwards.

[AtW]

Why dont we also tax those with old cars?

Already happens - road tax is now based on CO2. Also there is strong correlation between fuel usage and CO2, so in effect those cars with high CO2 pay a lot more in tax via fuel duty.

[Spacecadet]

But do you still have to pay?

5 min walk is good exercise ...

No it was free, but if it was charged then a few of the lesser paid permies living on the street might have sold the car and gone back to the bus

[ImNotFromIndia]

... If I got home from work after 7pm then more often than not I'd be parking a 5 minute walk away.

But do you still have to pay?

5 min walk is good exercise ...

[Spacecadet]

You have to pay to park outside your own house? That's sick ...
What is this country turning into?

Been happening for a long time in some of the city boroughs. Main problem is that the houses were built in the pre-car ownership times.

The street that I used to live on had a massive parking problem. 3 storey terrace houses, most of them 5 person house shares in a professional area so 2-3 cars per house and no off road parking. If I got home from work after 7pm then more often than not I'd be parking a 5 minute walk away.