Reply to: Boris Johnson for President...

[wendigo100]

Anyway, I honestly don't see any value in voting for any of the parties and I certainly don't want to vote for the one that's the "least tulip"

That's all anyone and everyone ever votes for.

You'd change your mind if one party was so shit it had to borrow an extra 60 billion each year to stand still, its people had to borrow an extra 100 billion each year to stand still, it started a war it cannot win, it completely lost control of immigration ... I could go on, so let's just say, you'd change your mind if one party didn't know its arse from its elbow.

If there was a party as bad as that, you'd vote from someone else to get rid of them, wouldn't you?

[hattra]

I doubt a Nazi like party will be in contention for power at the next general election so i'll take that risk

WTF do you think NL are !!! They're just a little more subtle about how they go about eroding the rights we've enjoyed for the last 7-800 years in this country.

As an aside, I'm sure I remember an article in the paper about 6 months ago which had Gordon Brown proposing a national youth organisation,to include the various military cadet forces, designed to teach our young people about their social responsibilities as members of British society, and to instil in them a sense of national pride, and I thought to myself "Is he seriously proposing that we set up a uniformed, National, Socialist paramilitary youth organisation - what's he going to call them, the Brown-shirts?"

[wendigo100]

As for letting in Labour I can't at the moment see that a Cameron led government would be any improvement.

xog, there's an old Edlesborough proverb:

"If you want to hit someone over the back of the head with an axe, you've got to creep up behind them first."

I thought you of all people would understand that.

[ratewhore]

Boris is my MP...

He de man!!!!!!!!

[Flubster]

Why don't you take your GCSE history at the same time!

WWI may not have been a fight about democracy but in the 900+ years before it a number of wars and battles were fought over it. Including the invasion of this country by the Saxon's since the concept of people voting a leader comes directly from them!

There are some uncomfortable aspects to Islam (especially the Wahabi form). I particularly dislike the interpretation which says a woman who is raped is guilty of adultary. This was the case in Northern Nigeria, or the more recent case in Pakistan (IIRC) of the British man condemned to death by an eclesiastical court for murder when he is sexually assaulted by the 'victim'.

The debate on veils recently has in it's roots the treatment of women by Islam, which I find at odds with the core value(s) of this country.

While this country has a core set of values, drawn from the many immigrants throughout the last two millenia, we should not undermine those selfsame values for those who join this country now. This is a problem that has it's roots on the increase of immigration way above the commumnities abilities to absorb them under New Labour.

I prefer to think my history 'O' level was awarded based on historical fact, not opinion...misguided or otherwise. Anyway, history is a thing of the past. We can't keep drawing on learning from our mistakes! Ban religion, ban the Tories and make beer tax free....

[zathras]

Nope. Retake your history GCSE hyperD. Can't see why going to war would have helped the suffragete movement....assuming your mean World War 1?

Why don't you take your GCSE history at the same time!

WWI may not have been a fight about democracy but in the 900+ years before it a number of wars and battles were fought over it. Including the invasion of this country by the Saxon's since the concept of people voting a leader comes directly from them!

There are some uncomfortable aspects to Islam (especially the Wahabi form). I particularly dislike the interpretation which says a woman who is raped is guilty of adultary. This was the case in Northern Nigeria, or the more recent case in Pakistan (IIRC) of the British man condemned to death by an eclesiastical court for murder when he is sexually assaulted by the 'victim'.

The debate on veils recently has in it's roots the treatment of women by Islam, which I find at odds with the core value(s) of this country.

While this country has a core set of values, drawn from the many immigrants throughout the last two millenia, we should not undermine those selfsame values for those who join this country now. This is a problem that has it's roots on the increase of immigration way above the commumnities abilities to absorb them under New Labour.

[hyperD]

I doubt a Nazi like party will be in contention for power at the next general election so i'll take that risk

LOL! No, I meant:

"...slow, systematic dismantling of the democratic system..."

not a bunch of leather clad, moustached Hermans, goosestepping through Marble Arch.

[hyperD]

Agree with spacecadet. As for letting in Labour I can't at the moment see that a Cameron led government would be any improvement. The blithering Cameron says we should save energy. Do it by not bothering to vote. Unless UKIP are standing anyway, they are what the Toreis ought to be.

Xogg - this has been raised a few times: conventional conservative policies are unlikely to win the next general election as shown in the last because of the knee jerk stuff liebour have indoctrined into the electorate:

Tax cuts = cuts in NHS and nurses = bad old Tories

Immigration controls = racist Tories

etc

Cameron is trying to reclaim the centre ground, appeal to swing voters and let liebour naturally fall in popularity as their chickens come home to roost. If they win then it is inevitable that the traditional Tory values will kick in.

[Spacecadet]

Whereas we have the choice whether to vote or not, only wisdom shows that by choosing not to vote that we increase the risk of the above.

I doubt a Nazi like party will be in contention for power at the next general election so i'll take that risk

[xoggoth]

Agree with spacecadet. As for letting in Labour I can't at the moment see that a Cameron led government would be any improvement. The blithering Cameron says we should save energy. Do it by not bothering to vote. Unless UKIP are standing anyway, they are what the Toreis ought to be.

[hyperD]

Nope. Retake your history GCSE hyperD. Can't see why going to war would have helped the suffragete movement....assuming your mean World War 1?

I was making an idealogical point (too cryptically, my fault) about the dangers and ignorance of voter apathy and the propensity for slow, systematic dismantling of the democratic system.

A similar event occurred when the Nazi Party came to power in Germany by democratic means, although after acquiring power they eliminated (in this case by murder) most vestiges of Germany's democratic system, including the abillity to vote.

They then went to spread the National Socialist Party good news around Europe where appeasement from other countries failed to stop its advancement initially.

Whereas we have the choice whether to vote or not, only wisdom shows that by choosing not to vote that we increase the risk of the above.

[Troll]

The state has failed in its aim of creating a multicultural identity, as the two concepts are polar oppisites and what I think is needed is a common set of values and indentity that all here can aspire to and if they dont like them they can **** off!!

So there

Do you think the "common set of values and indentity" will be based on 2000 years of history or something where the last 50 years takes precedence?

[sunnysan]

Sick of this tulipe

I think BJ (Unfortunate initials Boris, sorry), is right in his assumption that this was a sideshow to test the powers of "Islamic" bloc in this country and was as much about appropriate teaching attire as banning fox hunting was about cruelty to animals.

His withering attack on the state was fantastic

"poor, cowed, gelatinous and mentally spongiform apparatus of the British state. " ....
Excellent.

I know I am really sick of the government flapping all over itself to appease what amounts to an extremist minority.

The state has failed in its aim of creating a multicultural identity, as the two concepts are polar oppisites and what I think is needed is a common set of values and indentity that all here can aspire to and if they dont like them they can **** off!!

So there

[Spacecadet]

Many people died to give you the ability to vote. Don't let them die in vain.

They died to give me a choice to vote or not.

Anyway, I honestly don't see any value in voting for any of the parties and I certainly don't want to vote for the one that's the "least tulip"

[Flubster]

I think you'll find that was the reason for it...

Nope. Retake your history GCSE hyperD. Can't see why going to war would have helped the suffragete movement....assuming your mean World War 1?