Reply to: Reasons for considering a permie role

[vetran]

a few more

1. I miss the ethics training.
2. The 360 reviews were very helpful.
3. The minute pay rises were inspirational.
4. I want the freebies! Company mouse mats really impress my friends.
5. I need a picture of the CEO on the wall to worship.

[bobhope]

what about permie and spending all your time on plan b

That's straight out of The Dilbert Principle - "running your own side business from your cubicle" where Dilbert starts selling office supplies :-)

Good in theory I would say, but for some/most people, being permie would be so soul crushing that they wouldn't be able to work on that plan B.

[mrdonuts]

what about permie and spending all your time on plan b

[weemster]

Sorry buddy - got carried away.

[threaded]

Fer cryin' out loud weemster, don't tell the permies stuff like that. Bloomin' 'eck lad.

[weemster]

In this industry being a permy holds far greater risks IMO i.e stuck in the same skill rut, less job security etc etc etc. Been contracting for 3 years, good rate and no breaks - If I can manage this till 40 great - 5 years to go.

[Francko]

That's par for the course on here.

No, I don't need a russian course, sorry.

[AtW]

Not much to gain from debating

That's par for the course on here.

[Francko]

Franko, dear chap - do shut up

I should indeed. Not much to gain from debating with you indeed, or so it seems.

[bogeyman]

Bogey, apart from your miserable attempt of showing off, I do believe your reasoning has a severe fallacy. You are considering succeeding as a business man which for many people is not a target. Surely, if your purpose in life is to become a business man it would not even make sense to start as a permie but perhaps starting a business as second-hand books sale when you are a student. For many people succeeding means achieving their sense of realisation, which for a footballer might mean winning a world cup, for a doctor to become an international surgeon, for a technologist to become a world-class technical architect, for a manager to become a top director in a top 5. I was hoping a little more acumen from a person of your calibre, this speech might seem to come from people like Milan who just act like crazy bees so drugged by the smell of the flowers in a way that they don't even have the perception of where the flower stands.

Franko, dear chap - do shut up

[threaded]

Have tried real hard, but I cannot think of a single reason to become a permie.

Sorry, I can't help you in this.

[TheMonkey]

Can no longer be arsed with dodging the HMRC and government. Being a permie contracts that out to your employer.

[zathras]

Reasons for considering a permie role

Temporary Insanity

[Francko]

The ideal progression is:

permie -> contractor -> business owner -> rich business owner -> tycoon

Opt out and retire anywhere along that line that suits you.

Of course for most 'contractors' it is more like:

permie -> contractor -> permie -> contractor (rinse and repeat)

On reflection, I think the reasoning behind IR35 was basically right. Most so called 'independant IT consultants' are no more of a businessman than the dopey, non-aspirational permie they have sat opposite for the last 10 years.

If you're 40+ and still contracting then you're a failure.

Bogey, apart from your miserable attempt of showing off, I do believe your reasoning has a severe fallacy. You are considering succeeding as a business man which for many people is not a target. Surely, if your purpose in life is to become a business man it would not even make sense to start as a permie but perhaps starting a business as second-hand books sale when you are a student. For many people succeeding means achieving their sense of realisation, which for a footballer might mean winning a world cup, for a doctor to become an international surgeon, for a technologist to become a world-class technical architect, for a manager to become a top director in a top 5. I was hoping a little more acumen from a person of your calibre, this speech might seem to come from people like Milan who just act like crazy bees so drugged by the smell of the flowers in a way that they don't even have the perception of where the flower stands.

[sunnysan]

Oi

Good plan, but you forgot about:

--> expensive divorce --> bitterness --> poverty

If she is the one with the cash it can be bitter but her expense

Whihc makes it alright now .....