Reply to: UK EU in/out or shake it all about poll - 2nd attempt

[Zero Liability]

Reform significantly or out.

[SimonMac]

This is what will happen:

A minority will vote to leave, but because the people who want change are much more motivated to vote than those that just want to be left alone the out campaign will win. A great day for democracy.

Worked for Scotland didn't it!

[SueEllen]

The house of Lords passes laws that dictate how you live. Do you remember voting for the peers? I don't.

But on occasions they have done their job and held the House of Commons to account.

[scooterscot]

This. Sadly.
The EU is a bureaucratic dictatorship we should be no part of. Democracy is a poor system but it's about as good as we can hope for. The EU is not democratic.

The house of Lords passes laws that dictate how you live. Do you remember voting for the peers? I don't.

[LucidDementia]

I'm not even going to rise to this.

The EU website and Wikipedia. Thanks. And yes, I get my information from some tulipty rag.
Good luck to you.

[VectraMan]

It's a good idea to read this so you don't sound ignorant in debates about the EU.

Or this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

But not this:

Latest UK and World News, Sport and Comment | Daily Express

Which is where I'm sure he gets his information.

[SueEllen]

The EU is run by an unelected closed council. Not quite sure how that's democratic.

It's a good idea to read this so you don't sound ignorant in debates about the EU.

[VectraMan]

The EU is run by an unelected closed council. Not quite sure how that's democratic.

That's the Kippers imagined EU. The actual real life EU is run by people chosen by democratically elected representatives of the people, both MEPs and heads of states. It's the same as the UK cabinet. None of us get to choose them either (they don't have to be MPs).

[LucidDementia]

Except for all the democracy.

The EU is run by an unelected closed council. Not quite sure how that's democratic.

[LucidDementia]

Didn’t they do that with the Danish and Irish?

And the Dutch

[VectraMan]

The EU is a bureaucratic dictatorship we should be no part of. Democracy is a poor system but it's about as good as we can hope for. The EU is not democratic.

Except for all the democracy.

[SueEllen]

We will be asked to vote until we vote to stay in.

Didn’t they do that with the Danish and Irish?

[VectraMan]

This is what will happen:

A minority will vote to leave, but because the people who want change are much more motivated to vote than those that just want to be left alone the out campaign will win. A great day for democracy.

The politicians realising that losing any trade with the EU would be a disaster will sign us up to something akin to Norway, meaning we still have freedom of movement, still pay the same into the EU budget and still are subject to all of Brussels' rules and regulations. Except we now have less influence to change them.

The Kippers will all cry foul, unjustifiably as they failed to define what "out" really means, and everybody else will just see the whole thing as a complete and utter ******* waste of time and money and be even more disillusioned with politicians than they were already.

The only good thing to come out of it is Farrage being out of a job as there won't be any more British MEPs.

[barrydidit]

We will be asked to vote until we vote to stay in.

Is that why we have 2 threads about this already?

[LucidDementia]

We will be asked to vote until we vote to stay in.

This. Sadly.
The EU is a bureaucratic dictatorship we should be no part of. Democracy is a poor system but it's about as good as we can hope for. The EU is not democratic.