Reply to: And the good news is

[d000hg]

No, you are really "out there" that's for sure. Doesn't the Guardian have it's own forum you could join?

Since I don't subscribe to left-wing groupthink either, that wouldn't work out.
My left-wing friends view my opinions as unpleasantly right-wing

[EternalOptimist]

Seems to be widely reported.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Judging by the state of the building, I'd say it was a conservative estimate.

10 mags each.

its possible. They would have had to have a resupply convoy on standy

[DimPrawn]

I don't subscribe to the CUK groupthink, that's for sure.

No, you are really "out there" that's for sure. Doesn't the Guardian have it's own forum you could join?

[d000hg]

I don't subscribe to the CUK groupthink, that's for sure.

[DimPrawn]

Instead of speculating and making rubbish up, why don't you try reading the timeline first and then commenting?

Paris attacks: How the Saint-Denis raid unfolded - BBC News

doohg is the resident

[d000hg]

Instead of speculating and making rubbish up, why don't you try reading the timeline first and then commenting?

Paris attacks: How the Saint-Denis raid unfolded - BBC News

I haven't made anything up, and speculating is the whole point of having a forum. Maybe you should stop being so biased and entertain discussion other than "hurrah we killed him".

[meridian]

Interesting

Yes, absolutely. Once you're in a fire-fight you have very few options.

Instead of speculating and making rubbish up, why don't you try reading the timeline first and then commenting?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-34867205

[LucidDementia]

Well I suppose with 5000 rounds expended

Is this supposed to be real information?
Even assuming incompetency on the shooters this would mean a lot of dead people.

[d000hg]

I believe they did try the element of surprise, flash bang on their door, but it turned out the door was reinforced and then they blocked it with something more once they realised what was happening.

Interesting

After which all hell broke lose and at that point, trying to arrest someone in that room is nearly impossible

Yes, absolutely. Once you're in a fire-fight you have very few options.

[jbond007]

Probably, but they are hardly trained to anywhere near the same level.

I'll say again - if a highly trained SWAT team comes through your door without you having prior warning, you do not have time to make a decision whether to fight. It's over before you even realise what's happening.
They train to avoid getting into an actual fire-fight in the first place.

I believe they did try the element of surprise, flash bang on their door, but it turned out the door was reinforced and then they blocked it with something more once they realised what was happening.

After which all hell broke lose and at that point, trying to arrest someone in that room is nearly impossible

I also read (probably the guardian) that the police did ask that Hasna character where her boyfriend was, and she replied he isn't my boyfriend and then blew herself up.

[d000hg]

Are those the only two options you can think of? Is it not remotely possible that the terrorists, fully aware that they were at the top of the wanted list in Paris, have spent the last 6 nights preparing for a full on assault on whoever turned up to try to capture them and were prepared to take anyone out who tried?

Probably, but they are hardly trained to anywhere near the same level.

I'll say again - if a highly trained SWAT team comes through your door without you having prior warning, you do not have time to make a decision whether to fight. It's over before you even realise what's happening.
They train to avoid getting into an actual fire-fight in the first place.

[Chuck]

A part of me hopes that he is still alive and they've only said he's dead to prevent the likes of Cherie Blair sticking her oar in. Hopefully he's in a very dark place suffering all sorts of hell as the authorities try to get information from him. When they're done, they can throw in in the sea.

Terrorists do not respect the Geneva Convention, they do not follow the rules of war. They target innocents at work and at play. They should have no expectation that we will play nicely with them.

[meridian]

I'm not asserting it, I'm wondering it. It seems either it was deliberate, or the op was botched. But there is a lot of "revenge spirit" around right now - understandably of course.

Are those the only two options you can think of? Is it not remotely possible that the terrorists, fully aware that they were at the top of the wanted list in Paris, have spent the last 6 nights preparing for a full on assault on whoever turned up to try to capture them and were prepared to take anyone out who tried?

[AtW]

I'm not asserting it, I'm wondering it. It seems either it was deliberate, or the op was botched. But there is a lot of "revenge spirit" around right now - understandably of course.

When dealing with those who wear suicide vests it becomes imperative to "disable" them permanently before they do any more harm to others.

[AtW]

trying to shoot to disable was out of the question.

They did disable him though ...