Reply to: Kicking Off in Paris Again

[DodgyAgent]

Who armed and trained the Afghan rebels against the Russians in the early 80s?
They went on to become the Taliban and took the country back centuries.
Who sold Saddam his weapons, including chemical weapons that he was using on the kurds?
Who created the power vacuums in Iraq and Libya by getting rid of Hussein and Gaddafi?
Who armed and trained the rebels fighting against Assad in Syria?
They went on to become ISIS


But, no, the USA have played no part in this and that's from someone who's anything but a liberal. I'm a realist and if you can't see what America are up to, then there's no help for you.

The middle east would have been a utopia of peace and prosperity had the Americans not intervened?

[MicrosoftBob]

Who armed and trained the Afghan rebels against the Russians in the early 80s?

Rambo obviously, don't you watch the movies

[TestMangler]

If it wasn't for the US, we wouldn't have a War on Tourism.

FTFY

[Zero Liability]

Couple of pieces on that topic here, here and here.

[LondonManc]

Of course blam the Americans. Thd easiest target for liberal hypocrites

Who armed and trained the Afghan rebels against the Russians in the early 80s?
They went on to become the Taliban and took the country back centuries.
Who sold Saddam his weapons, including chemical weapons that he was using on the kurds?
Who created the power vacuums in Iraq and Libya by getting rid of Hussein and Gaddafi?
Who armed and trained the rebels fighting against Assad in Syria?
They went on to become ISIS

But, no, the USA have played no part in this and that's from someone who's anything but a liberal. I'm a realist and if you can't see what America are up to, then there's no help for you.

[minestrone]

The supreme head jhiadette was from just up the road from me, she went to a really expensive girls school about a mile away.

I hope she is on the kill list. But the excuse that these people are all disaffected working class Muslims is mistaken.

[d000hg]

Swings and roundabouts. They are powerful but dangerous and erratic, and we have no way of telling which way they will swing or how it will affect us.

It's certainly not a utopia. Our country might be "giving in to lefties" but we don't get monthly school massacres.

[DodgyAgent]

If it wasn't for the US, we wouldn't have a War on Terror.

Meaning what exactly?

[minestrone]

If the UK had the foresight to join Germany in 1939(as Hitler wanted) then both the USA and Soviets would have been totally stuffed.

I cant even muster a reply to that bonkerness.

[BrilloPad]

If it wasn't for the US, we wouldn't have a War on Terror.

Borat had it right. War of terror.

[d000hg]

If it wasn't for the USA we would be making widgets in a soviet factory.

If it wasn't for the US, we wouldn't have a War on Terror.

[BrilloPad]

If it wasn't for the USA we would be making widgets in a soviet factory.

If the UK had the foresight to join Germany in 1939(as Hitler wanted) then both the USA and Soviets would have been totally stuffed.

[minestrone]

What a surprise, to you the USA is some sort of wonderland.

If it wasn't for the USA we would be making widgets in a soviet factory.

[d000hg]

Of course blam the Americans. Thd easiest target for liberal hypocrites

What a surprise, to you the USA is some sort of wonderland.

[Troll]

Well what do you guys think the correct approach for the western powers to take would be?

If this has been done already - apologies but I caught this dialogue while watching Homeland - and the press have now picked up on it:

In fact the scene when he tells the CIA and US military top brass the brutal truth about ISIS is worth reading in full:

CIA official: You said a program should be renewed. I'm asking is our strategy working?

Peter Quinn: What strategy?Tell me what the strategy is and I'll tell you if it's working. [Silence] See, that right there is the problem because they - they have a strategy. They're gathering right now in Raqqa by the tens of thousands, hidden in the civilian population, cleaning their weapons and they know exactly why they're there.

CIA official: Why is that?

Peter Quinn: They call it the end times. What do you think the be-headings are about? The crucifixions in Deir Hafer, the revival of slavery? Do you think they make this s*** up? It's all in the book. Their f****** book. The only book they ever read - they read it all the time. They never stop. They're there for one reason and one reason only: to die for the Caliphate and usher in a world without infidels. That's their strategy and it's been that way since the seventh century. So do you really think that a few special forces teams are going to put a dent in that?

CIA official: Well what would you do?

Peter Quinn: Are you offering me a promotion?

CIA official: I'm offering you a hypothetical.

Peter Quinn: Two-hundred thousand American troops on the ground indefinitely to provide security and support for an equal number of doctors and elementary school teachers.

CIA official: Well that's not going to happen.

Peter Quinn: Then I better get back there.

CIA official: What else? What else would make a difference?

Peter Quinn: Hit reset.

CIA official: Meaning what?

Peter Quinn: Meaning pound Raqqa (ISIS’s stronghold) into a parking lot.