Reply to: 'Rude' and 'violent' people in Manchester drive immigrant back to Iran

[SueEllen]

Have you reported them to Police/Home office?

I don't report people I convince them to go home or go somewhere else in the world.

The ones I meet abroad I convince them stay or go somewhere else. It's not hard once you give them housing costs in London as they already know how much they could earn. Also gang master and modern slavery stories really help.....

[SueEllen]

None of those jobs are ones that we need to import workers for, and none of them are highly paid, meaning that the illegal ones are outside the tax system (yet still cost the rest of us by using public resources such as police, NHS, roads, and schools), while the legal ones don't meet the tax threshold anyway and so still cost us by using public resources PLUS will require child and housing benefits just to make ends meet.

The ones doing care work were actually foreign nurses. If they hadn't talked to dodgy people they could have worked in the care homes legally and converted their qualifications so would have worked in the NHS. And yes they spoke and wrote English.

[FatLazyContractor]

Oh and the main reason people want to come here is that they can work illegally as care homes, cleaning companies, the hospitality industry and the construction industry happily will use illegal workers to keep costs down.

FLC villa and gardens look pristine thanks to migrants

I should add I have met people working illegally and found some of them could have come here and worked legally. .

Have you reported them to Police/Home office?

However they got advice from dodgy people....

I did not know DA had a finger in this pie too

[meridian]

If you are not from the EU and a legal migrant you have no recourse to public funds for 5 years.

However if you are a genuine refugee you are entitled to benefits before and after you have leave to remain. However most of them want to work because they find themselves cut off from the rest of society.

Oh and the main reason people want to come here is that they can work illegally as care homes, cleaning companies, the hospitality industry and the construction industry happily will use illegal workers to keep costs down.

I should add I have met people working illegally and found some of them could have come here and worked legally. However they got advice from dodgy people....

None of those jobs are ones that we need to import workers for, and none of them are highly paid, meaning that the illegal ones are outside the tax system (yet still cost the rest of us by using public resources such as police, NHS, roads, and schools), while the legal ones don't meet the tax threshold anyway and so still cost us by using public resources PLUS will require child and housing benefits just to make ends meet.

[SueEllen]

I thought this happened already; it was mentioned a lot pre-election that you wouldn't be able to claim benefits for up to 2(?) years. But that applies to legal EU migrants. Are you sure illegal migrants from outside the EU have ANY legal right to benefits unless they are treated as legitimate asylum seekers?

If you are not from the EU and a legal migrant you have no recourse to public funds for 5 years.

However if you are a genuine refugee you are entitled to benefits before and after you have leave to remain. However most of them want to work because they find themselves cut off from the rest of society.

Oh and the main reason people want to come here is that they can work illegally as care homes, cleaning companies, the hospitality industry and the construction industry happily will use illegal workers to keep costs down.

I should add I have met people working illegally and found some of them could have come here and worked legally. However they got advice from dodgy people....

[FatLazyContractor]

Success!

Just shows that proper marketing of yer thread yields success...

More so if you call it 'Official'

[AtW]

Let's see if my thread gets more responses...

Success!

Just shows that proper marketing of yer thread yields success...

[d000hg]

Anyone see the footage of them rioting in Calais, throwing stones and anything that came to hand at the police as they desperately tried to get to the UK.

Nope. And of course you have to take into account that the reporting may be biased i.e. WHY were they doing that, what happened first?

If Cameron and Co made the benefits system a lot less attractive to these unskilled migrants it would solve that part of the problem almost overnight.

I thought this happened already; it was mentioned a lot pre-election that you wouldn't be able to claim benefits for up to 2(?) years. But that applies to legal EU migrants. Are you sure illegal migrants from outside the EU have ANY legal right to benefits unless they are treated as legitimate asylum seekers?

[rl4engc]

Then DC needs to kill two birds with one stone;

Set up a "Shop an illegal worker" scheme, £200 for information for each worker working illegally that gets deported. This will highlight the vast majority of them. Force the lazy benefits scrounging natives to backfill these jobs. if they refuse the job, stop their benefits. If they fail the interview, stop their benefits. If they don't turn up for work, stop their benefits. if they are rubbish workers, inform them that if they get sacked, there are no more benefits available to them.

Also have an amnesty on employers employing illegal workers, declare them before [date] and there's no fine. Don't declare (or don't sack) them before [date] and it's a £10,000 fine for each illegal worker.

Problem solved?

[woohoo]

If Cameron and Co made the benefits system a lot less attractive to these unskilled migrants it would solve that part of the problem almost overnight.

It's not just the benefits system, it's the illegal economy that many of them end up in. We don't really do anything to stop it.

[rl4engc]

Anyone see the footage of them rioting in Calais, throwing stones and anything that came to hand at the police as they desperately tried to get to the UK.

Now I'm no expert, but that doesn't strike me as the best method to endear yourself to your target host nation. It'd be the equivalent of trying to get a job interview by desperately trying to gain entry to SomeCorp's HQ, by smashing windows and doors in and physically attacking the secirity guards on the front desk.

If Cameron and Co made the benefits system a lot less attractive to these unskilled migrants it would solve that part of the problem almost overnight.

[Intel]

Where did you get that statistic from?!

Rough estimates based on personal experience.

NB: 70% of statistics are made up due to boredom so I have something to post on here.....

[FatLazyContractor]

I love stories like this. Keeps you soft southern shandy drinkers darn sarf where you belong. We certainly don't want you finding out that rates here are admittedly 1/3 lower than London but houses are 1/2 the price.......

Where did you get that statistic from?!

[Intel]

I love stories like this. Keeps you soft southern shandy drinkers darn sarf where you belong. We certainly don't want you finding out that rates here are admittedly 1/3 lower than London but houses are 1/2 the price.......

[FatLazyContractor]

Heard NLUK lives in Manchester ....