Reply to: Have we done the incipient mini ice age?

[EternalOptimist]

Only in the most extreme, outlying projections. The IPCC midrange forecast puts the ice free date nearer 2100.

HTH

One of the problems with dealing with the eco-loons is distinguishing between the outliers and the out-and-out-liars

[BlasterBates]

Too little, too late. Drought: related information, Bureau of Meteorology

Then what we need is more of this:

European Green Policies

Windfarms

That should sort the problem out.

[Zero Liability]

Fluff indeed.

[pjclarke]

It's just a piece of fluff trying to swipe at libertarianism without even engaging the materials on it. Who gives a tulipe?

St. George does. More fluff

Over the Christmas break I read what I believe is the most important environmental essay of the past 12 months. Though it begins with a mildly unfair criticism of*a column of mine, I won't hold it against the author. In a simple and very short tract,*Matt Bruenig presents*a devastating challenge to those who call themselves libertarians, and explains why they have no choice but to deny climate change and other environmental problems.

Why libertarians must deny climate change, in one short take | George Monbiot | Environment | The Guardian

[Zero Liability]

The Right, especially the American libertarian right has its own problems

Environmentalism poses a problem for libertarian ideology | MattBruenig | Politics

It's just a piece of fluff trying to swipe at libertarianism without even engaging the materials on it. Who gives a tulipe?

[pjclarke]

the arctic was supposed to be ice-free by now,

Only in the most extreme, outlying projections. The IPCC midrange forecast puts the ice free date nearer 2100.

HTH

[pjclarke]

This confirms what pj was saying...

Rain wreaks havoc as Googong dam spills again and roads hit with traffic chaos

..oh hang on

Too little, too late. Drought: related information, Bureau of Meteorology

[pjclarke]

It was Thatcher that first raised concerns over climate change. Instead of piggy backing on that in order to convert people on the right of the political spectrum the left have ignored. As I say climate change has been hijacked by the left Amber Rudd has a real point about the climate change cause being tainted by excessive leftism - nicktyrone.com

Mrs Thatcher, reportedly more proud of being the first PM with a science degree than the first female premiere, gave her speech mentioning climate change to the Royal Society in 1988, the same year that James Hansen gave his testimony to Congress, so I think she can claim with some validity to be the first major politician to take the science seriously.

In my opinion, neither Left nor Right has covered itself in glory, although in this country we passed the Climate Change Act with near unanimity, the targets set were less than those required to be effective since then Governments have taken actions that they must know mean the targets will not be met.

The Right, especially the American libertarian right has its own problems

Environmentalism poses a problem for libertarian ideology | MattBruenig | Politics

As Nick Tyrone (nearly) said

My main worry is that CUK becomes like America in this regard – where climate change denial is almost de rigueur on the Right. Convince conservatives that climate change is a crock and your chances of doing anything about it shrink accordingly. Particularly when they are going to be in power for the foreseeable future.

[BlasterBates]

This confirms what pj was saying...

Rain wreaks havoc as Googong dam spills again and roads hit with traffic chaos

..oh hang on

[EternalOptimist]

Most aussies would rather drink their own urine than spend billions on that white elephant. Tell you what though pj, I like you so much, you can have mine.

[pjclarke]

I'll tell you how intellectually corrupt they are. They declared a permenant drought in Australia due to global warming. So they built a desal plant (never been used) and straight away the rain came down causing floods.
what did they blame the floods on ? you got it. global warming

I guess the Australians prefer not to base infrastructure projects on single weather events. Given the trend in rainfall in SE Australia is down, and all the scientists project that this will continue, what are the odds that the desal plants will come in handy before very long?

Since 1970 there has been a 17 per cent decline in average winter rainfall in the southwest of Australia. The southeast has experienced a 15 per cent decline in late autumn and early winter rainfall since the mid-1990s, with a 25 per cent reduction in average rainfall across April and May. Declining rainfall in the southwest has been statistically significant over the recent period, and has occurred as a series of step changes. The decline in this region has also been characterised by a lack of very wet winters

[…]

The reduction in rainfall is amplified in streamflow in our rivers and streams. In the far southwest, streamflow has declined by more than 50 per cent since the mid-1970s. In the far southeast, streamflow during the 1997–2009 Millennium Drought was around half the long-term average.

Strewth, let's put the optimist in charge!

State of the Climate 2014: Bureau of Meteorology

[BlasterBates]

Hey BB, I have a serious question for you.

Now that the CAGW theory is a busted flush what will be the next doom and gloom disaster that pj and his ilk will follow in an attempt to gain power ?

Ozone depletion
de-oxygenation
Ocean acidification
plague

scary

What is Ocean Acidification?

[DodgyAgent]

It was Thatcher that first raised concerns over climate change. Instead of piggy backing on that in order to convert people on the right of the political spectrum the left have ignored. As I say climate change has been hijacked by the left Amber Rudd has a real point about the climate change cause being tainted by excessive leftism - nicktyrone.com

[EternalOptimist]

And of course there is no problem in the world that is not caused by climate change - funny that

O'Malley links ISIS to climate change | TheHill

I'll tell you how intellectually corrupt they are. They declared a permenant drought in Australia due to global warming. So they built a desal plant (never been used) and straight away the rain came down causing floods.
what did they blame the floods on ? you got it. global warming

[DodgyAgent]

And of course there is no problem in the world that is not caused by climate change - funny that

O'Malley links ISIS to climate change | TheHill