should be interesting

[DimPrawn]

There are two immutable facts about politics in Britain.

The NHS always needs more money. Teachers are never happy.

And the Police are always overstretched and overworked. Although if you travel to the Med countries you will see thousands of them retired, smiling, playing golf and relaxing aged 50.

[vetran]

They always bang on about nurses, etc. Unless I am missing something, what about poor old Bob on £100 per day on his visa.

what about Bob's boss charging him out at £1000 a day but making sure they pay no tax then buy up all the UK companies?

[BA to the Stars]

They always bang on about nurses, etc. Unless I am missing something, what about poor old Bob on £100 per day on his visa.

[tomtomagain]

There are two immutable facts about politics in Britain.

The NHS always needs more money. Teachers are never happy.

[vetran]

Well, I agree with you on both of those points: more training and higher wages; but somehow I struggle to imagine seeing the policies (and budget) that would be needed to bring them about.

well with a little bit of luck they will hang the SHAs out to dry over their decisions and it will encourage the others.

[expat]

Well if we had trained more nurses rather than stealing them from overseas.
If we had not put in tax credits and flooded the market with cheap labour the wages would be higher.

Well, I agree with you on both of those points: more training and higher wages; but somehow I struggle to imagine seeing the policies (and budget) that would be needed to bring them about.

[vetran]

Camerons lot cut training nurse training budgets when they came to power. Lo and behold a few years down the line we run short of nurses.

From 2012
NHS 'heading for disaster' over lack of nurses - Telegraph



La la la not listening. Hey Osborne send a few billion to the poor brown people overseas. Jolly good. Pip Pip.

when did Cameron join a Strategic Health Authority? I remember him ring fencing the NHS funds.

But Prof Green said England’s 10 strategic health authorities (SHAs) were cutting training places to save money in the short term, an approach he described as being “divorced from reality”.

Nope its not a government level decision.

A Department of Health spokesman said: "The number of nurses per bed is increasing - on average, there are now two nurses to every bed in hospital. This is good news for patients.
"The number of nurse training places needed varies across the country, so decisions about funding for places are made by the local NHS."

Petard tight enough for you sir?


whilst NHS spending hasn't gone up as fast as inflation 'savage cuts' are hardly a great description.

[Flashman]

Camerons lot cut training nurse training budgets when they came to power. Lo and behold a few years down the line we run short of nurses.

From 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...of-nurses.html

The NHS is heading for “disaster” because nursing training places are being cut even though record numbers of nurses are set to retire and the population is ageing, the Prime Minister has been told'

La la la not listening. Hey Osborne send a few billion to the poor brown people overseas. Jolly good. Pip Pip.

[vetran]

So if we undo that by sending the immigrants home and cutting tax credits, everything will be OK? Or is that not what you mean?

Well if we had trained more nurses rather than stealing them from overseas.
If we had not put in tax credits and flooded the market with cheap labour the wages would be higher.

Of course we could blame the Tories who have to fix it all and attack anyone who suggests they were obviously a bad idea then everything will be peachy.

[expat]

Bruin used immigrants and tax credits to keep the wages down.

as he said

'No more Boom & Bust'

So if we undo that by sending the immigrants home and cutting tax credits, everything will be OK? Or is that not what you mean?

[VectraMan]

Lucky we're in the EU or it'd be far worse.

Vote UKIP!

[vetran]

Bruin used immigrants and tax credits to keep the wages down.

as he said

'No more Boom & Bust'

[BrilloPad]

About time they started training more nurses then. And paying more for staff retention.

Oh I forgot. All the money was spent on MP pay rises. Oh dear....

[vetran]

on LBC now

[vetran]

Migrant salary rules may cost NHS nurse jobs, union warns - BBC News

Thousands of foreign nurses working in junior posts in the UK could be forced to return home under new immigration rules, union leaders have warned.
A new pay threshold for migrants means non-European workers will have to leave the UK after six years if they are not earning at least £35,000.
The Royal College of Nursing said the rules would "cause chaos" for the NHS and waste money spent on recruitment.
The Home Office said the rules would help reduce demand for migrant labour.
The move is part of the government's effort to control net migration, but the union says that by 2017 more than 3,300 NHS nurses could be affected.