Reply to: Michelle Obama visits School n London

[SueEllen]

There is one white child in the picture and rather than attribute the fact that child might be English you seem to think that they are most likely "Irish, Welsh, Polish or Hungarian".

You also repeatedly capitalised white as a description of the child's race. "The White faces", "those White faces".

You are not too clever are you Sue?

The descriptions "White" and "Black" refer to races. The descriptions Hungarian, English, British etc refer to nationalities. The descriptions Roma, Sikhs, Jews, etc refer to ethnicities. Both nationalities and ethnicities can refer to cultural groups though some people include races. All these are social constructs and you can capitalise them if you wish.

I can actually see more than one White kid in the picture.

Oh and if you live in London, and know different areas you soon find out who generally goes to what schools.

[vetran]

Don't mess with Dallas! When angry her muscles expands and she bursts out of her wetsuit.....

you upset her again?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Michelle Obama visits School n London

Of course I have. Lived in Gateshead near Coatsworth Road once & as I said in my earlier post, the orthodox Jews were not exactly integrated but got on with their lives without impinging on the wider community in the same way as perhaps Chinese communities do.

Contrary to what you may think, I don't have an issue with Islam per se. I have an issue with radical Islam, Wahhibism etc which has a definite agenda to subjugate all that goes before it and it's fairly self evident, if you read the newspapers, that a fairly sizable minority of muslims in places like Tower Hamlets have sympathies which lie in that direction & personally I think they should be called out for it.

Agree - Wahhabism is the problem. To address that issue we need to address the issue of Saudi Arabia, you can't blame all Muslims for the sponsored poison that country churns out and which the rest of Muslims are totally opposed to. You can however blame our government for continuously turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabia.

[Gumbo Robot]

Have you been to North London and North Manchester? Have you heard of Orthadox jews?

Of course I have. Lived in Gateshead near Coatsworth Road once & as I said in my earlier post, the orthodox Jews were not exactly integrated but got on with their lives without impinging on the wider community in the same way as perhaps Chinese communities do.

Contrary to what you may think, I don't have an issue with Islam per se. I have an issue with radical Islam, Wahhibism etc which has a definite agenda to subjugate all that goes before it and it's fairly self evident, if you read the newspapers, that a fairly sizable minority of muslims in places like Tower Hamlets have sympathies which lie in that direction & personally I think they should be called out for it.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Michelle Obama visits School n London

I don't think that's the point though is it?

Jewish people have integrated into society & even where they haven't their populations live side by side with others and don't try to impose on the larger community & where there has been antagonism it has come from the "host" population.

Think it's a bit more of a 2 way street where Tower Hamlets & Rotherham etc are concerned.

Have you been to North London and North Manchester? Have you heard of Orthodox jews?

Yes about 99% of pupils in that school are Muslim but you wouldn't be complaining if 99% were catholic in a catholic school. It remains a public school and they are waving british flags not ISIS flags.

It does seem strange that they chose this school, though I think it fits in nicely with the Islamaphobic agenda of the media and into spreading the kind of hysteria we have seen on this thread.

Muslim women wear scarves in a similar way to nuns, get over it and accept it, so long as they are peaceful, law-abiding citizens and respect and accept others, what is the problem?

[BrilloPad]

I have lived in East Finchley/Muswell Hill that is predominantly jewish. I now live in tower hamlets.

I have had a few incidents in Tower Hamlets, local police wern't up to much.

I felt safer in Muswell Hill, had zero problems.

Don't mess with Dallas! When angry her muscles expands and she bursts out of her wetsuit.....

[vetran]

In 1901 the proportion of Londoners born elsewhere was 33% of the total and that was less than previous years. Your Dave and John could well have been an Irishman and a Jew. BTW, It has been estimated that one in five Britons has a black ancestor from the 17th or 18th centuries.

Elsewhere = other countries or other Counties?

In 3 centuries one would sort of expect that.

[Gumbo Robot]

But they're very similar to acts that people complain about the Muslim populace like when they started Sharia patrols whereas the Jewish community have their own unoffical police force

From what I recall, the Shariah patrols were targeting non muslims for things like drinking alcohol in the street.

[darmstadt]

But those are directed at members of their own community rather than the larger population.

The first, I assume, relates to Jewish women driving their kids to a Jewish faith school.

And the posters in the second link are just remnants from some religious parade:

But they're very similar to acts that people complain about the Muslim populace like when they started Sharia patrols whereas the Jewish community have their own unoffical police force

[Dallas]

I have lived in East Finchley/Muswell Hill that is predominantly jewish. I now live in tower hamlets.

I have had a few incidents in Tower Hamlets, local police wern't up to much.

I felt safer in Muswell Hill, had zero problems.

[Gumbo Robot]

Not me but Mr. Google does...

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect tells London mothers to stop driving | UK news | The Guardian
London Council Removes Ultra-Orthodox Jews' Signs Banishing Women To One Side Of The Road

But those are directed at members of their own community rather than the larger population.

The first, I assume, relates to Jewish women driving their kids to a Jewish faith school.

And the posters in the second link are just remnants from some religious parade:

The Council said the posters were remnants of a Torah Procession set up by the Haredi community early last week. During the Hachnosus Sefer Torah parade, hundreds of men and women accompanied the Torah scroll as it was taken through Stamford Hill's streets under a chupah, Jewish News reports.
Parade participants usually celebrate the occasion with dancing, so the Haredi community wanted to ensure that the genders were separated. The area’s 20,000 Haredi Jews follow a conservative branch of Judaism that discourages unmarried men and women from touching members of the opposite sex, unless they are close relatives.

[darmstadt]

Got any links to those stories?

Not me but Mr. Google does...

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect tells London mothers to stop driving | UK news | The Guardian
London Council Removes Ultra-Orthodox Jews' Signs Banishing Women To One Side Of The Road

[Gumbo Robot]

Apart, it seems, the Orthodox Jews of which there have been a number of stories in the press recently of them trying to impose their laws on people, much like fundamentalist Muslims.

Got any links to those stories?

[darmstadt]

I don't think that's the point though is it?

Jewish people have integrated into society & even where they haven't their populations live side by side with others and don't try to impose on the larger community & where there has been antagonism it has come from the "host" population.

Think it's a bit more of a 2 way street where Tower Hamlets & Rotherham etc are concerned.

Apart, it seems, the Orthodox Jews of which there have been a number of stories in the press recently of them trying to impose their laws on people, much like fundamentalist Muslims.

[Gumbo Robot]

In 1901 the proportion of Londoners born elsewhere was 33% of the total and that was less than previous years. Your Dave and John could well have been an Irishman and a Jew. BTW, It has been estimated that one in five Britons has a black ancestor from the 17th or 18th centuries.

I don't think that's the point though is it?

Jewish people have integrated into society & even where they haven't their populations live side by side with others and don't try to impose on the larger community & where there has been antagonism it has come from the "host" population.

Think it's a bit more of a 2 way street where Tower Hamlets & Rotherham etc are concerned.