Originally posted by DodgyAgent
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostGE is completely different as you have to choose a new puppet for the EU every 5 years, so although we all know the failings of the voting system, we have to go with what we have. There's no need for an EU referendum. If we didn't have one everybody would carry on exactly the same and Merkel et al can continue to rule over us.
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostGE is completely different as you have to choose a new government every 5 years, so although we all know the failings of the voting system, we have to go with what we have. There's no need for an EU referendum. If we didn't have one everybody would carry on exactly the same.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostPresumably therefore all those that did not vote in the general election, according to your logic, supported the Tories
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Originally posted by expat View PostThe referendum is not being held for the benefit of those who are OK with the status quo, it is for those who are unhappy with things as they are to express that. So let them come up with enough votes against the status quo, or else they have failed to express a popular wish to overturn it.
I take it that the "stay in vote" will be lobbying people to "not vote" .
Presumably therefore all those that did not vote in the general election, according to your logic, supported the Tories
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The referendum is not being held for the benefit of those who are OK with the status quo, it is for those who are unhappy with things as they are to express that. So let them come up with enough votes against the status quo, or else they have failed to express a popular wish to overturn it.
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostIf they vote "no", DA will be delighted. If they vote "yes" then he'll explain how it wasn't fair because the turnout was so low.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostI'm for the shake it all about.
Who will lead the shake it all about camapaign?
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I'm for the shake it all about.
Who will lead the shake it all about camapaign?
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The question should be "in" or "out" with a "shake it all about" option for those who want the status quo.
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The question as amended by the House of Lords.
Yes - we stay in. No - we don't want independence
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostWould you be satisfied that democracy had been served; that the will of the people had been expressed?
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostIf people do not vote they do not deserve ANY influence in the outcome of the EU. Just saying "they are happy with the status quo" is ridiculous. If they are happy with the status quo then they are equally happy with change.
There's a difference between being happy with the way things are, and getting off your arse and going to a polling station to express it. Naturally people who want change are much more likely to express it; nobody takes to the streets to protest about how happy they are with everything. So any vote is going to be heavily skewed in favour of the Nos. If we agree that we want a referendum so the people can have a say on the EU, then the result needs to be clear. Only about 33% turned out for the last round of MEP elections where UKIP did so well. If we had 33% turn out for a referendum, and just over half voted us out, the future of the country would be decided by only 16.5% of the population. Would you be satisfied that democracy had been served; that the will of the people had been expressed?
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostIf they are not happy with change then they would vote against it. If they don't vote it is because they are not interested in the outcome.
I'll paraphrase what you wrote for you: "If they are happy to leave things as they are and not change anything, then they are equally happy to change things"
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostFTFY to make more sense.
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