Reply to: Yes for in, No for out

[darmstadt]

For self interested Europhiles like you there is of course "no need" for a referendum. To others however this referendum is more important than worrying about whether affluent tax avoiders like you can ply your trade freely across the continent for large sums of money. Where do you get the idea that everything will carry on "exactly the same". Nothing remains the same. What will happen if we do not get out is that we will be increasingly drawn along a path over which will have an ever decreasing say in events.

Apart from pish posh tish tosh

[MicrosoftBob]

GE is completely different as you have to choose a new puppet for the EU every 5 years, so although we all know the failings of the voting system, we have to go with what we have. There's no need for an EU referendum. If we didn't have one everybody would carry on exactly the same and Merkel et al can continue to rule over us.

FTFY

[DodgyAgent]

GE is completely different as you have to choose a new government every 5 years, so although we all know the failings of the voting system, we have to go with what we have. There's no need for an EU referendum. If we didn't have one everybody would carry on exactly the same.

For self interested Europhiles like you there is of course "no need" for a referendum. To others however this referendum is more important than worrying about whether affluent tax avoiders like you can ply your trade freely across the continent for large sums of money. Where do you get the idea that everything will carry on "exactly the same". Nothing remains the same. What will happen if we do not get out is that we will be increasingly drawn along a path over which will have an ever decreasing say in events.

[VectraMan]

Presumably therefore all those that did not vote in the general election, according to your logic, supported the Tories

GE is completely different as you have to choose a new government every 5 years, so although we all know the failings of the voting system, we have to go with what we have. There's no need for an EU referendum. If we didn't have one everybody would carry on exactly the same.

[DodgyAgent]

The referendum is not being held for the benefit of those who are OK with the status quo, it is for those who are unhappy with things as they are to express that. So let them come up with enough votes against the status quo, or else they have failed to express a popular wish to overturn it.

How impartial of you

I take it that the "stay in vote" will be lobbying people to "not vote" .

Presumably therefore all those that did not vote in the general election, according to your logic, supported the Tories

[expat]

The referendum is not being held for the benefit of those who are OK with the status quo, it is for those who are unhappy with things as they are to express that. So let them come up with enough votes against the status quo, or else they have failed to express a popular wish to overturn it.

[DodgyAgent]

If they vote "no", DA will be delighted. If they vote "yes" then he'll explain how it wasn't fair because the turnout was so low.

Funnily enough I won't

[Dactylion]

I'm for the shake it all about.

Who will lead the shake it all about camapaign?

Suity? Lets face it as he is "never" coming back here he will have loads of time on his hands to carry out completely pointless and irrelevant activity!

[BlasterBates]

I'm for the shake it all about.

Who will lead the shake it all about camapaign?

[Lockhouse]

The question should be "in" or "out" with a "shake it all about" option for those who want the status quo.

[Flashman]

The question as amended by the House of Lords.

Yes - we stay in. No - we don't want independence

[TheFaQQer]

Would you be satisfied that democracy had been served; that the will of the people had been expressed?

If they vote "no", DA will be delighted. If they vote "yes" then he'll explain how it wasn't fair because the turnout was so low.

[VectraMan]

If people do not vote they do not deserve ANY influence in the outcome of the EU. Just saying "they are happy with the status quo" is ridiculous. If they are happy with the status quo then they are equally happy with change.

In what way is a referendum about what people deserve?

There's a difference between being happy with the way things are, and getting off your arse and going to a polling station to express it. Naturally people who want change are much more likely to express it; nobody takes to the streets to protest about how happy they are with everything. So any vote is going to be heavily skewed in favour of the Nos. If we agree that we want a referendum so the people can have a say on the EU, then the result needs to be clear. Only about 33% turned out for the last round of MEP elections where UKIP did so well. If we had 33% turn out for a referendum, and just over half voted us out, the future of the country would be decided by only 16.5% of the population. Would you be satisfied that democracy had been served; that the will of the people had been expressed?

[TheFaQQer]

If they are not happy with change then they would vote against it. If they don't vote it is because they are not interested in the outcome.

Do you understand what status quo means?

I'll paraphrase what you wrote for you: "If they are happy to leave things as they are and not change anything, then they are equally happy to change things"

[DodgyAgent]

FTFY to make more sense.

If they are not happy with change then they would vote against it. If they don't vote it is because they are not interested in the outcome.