UKIP just lost my vote

[wonderboy]

If all of the illegal and legal immigrants were kicked out of the country then the productivity of the country would sink.

Citation needed. UKIP has said repeatedly no-one would be kicked out of the country.

Many if not the majority of immigrants illegal or legal are quite productive and proactive. It must me said, putting some of the natives to shame. Also though, the fact that they are immigrants means that they are quite proactive anyway.

You seem to be misguided. UKIP is not anti-immigration. It is anti-uncontrolled-immigration. There is a big, very important difference. UKIP is pro skilled immigration, without discrimination against non-EU immigrants.

Then, to come out of Europe, our largest trading partner would sink GDP and companies would leave.
Not right away but some large ones certainly would.

We are one of the largest purchasers of products from Europe. If we leave the EU, the European continent is not going away. Do you really think Mercedes will let the German government stick prohibitive trade tariffs on exports of cars to the UK?

I agree with the rest of your comment!

[Zero Liability]

They have talked about a flat tax rate a number of times although at their last conference they said:



They also said they want to get rid of the Agency Workers Directive, get rid of the Equalites Commission, remove the Ministry of Defense but increase spending for defense (haven't worked that one out.) Actually they've said a hell of a lot things that they're going to do but not how they're going to do it nor what they'll replace them with. Here's a Mail article about the new manifesto and why you won't see it in the not too distant future: Redirecting you to www.dailymail.co.uk | donotlink.com

The flat tax was quite a good suggestion, and it was a shame to see them let it go, but they probably realise the Tories would never bring it in. The most the Tories seem willing to contemplate right now is merging PAYE and NI, and even then they're not committal.

Of course, if the press want ammunition that will last them a lifetime, they may scrutinise the manifestos of the big parties, compare them to what they did and they won't have much else to preoccupy them for a good while. I couldn't care less. As long as Ukip keeps the Tories on their toes, they're serving their purpose.

[worzelGummidge]

UKIP never had mine to start with

UKIP never had mine to start with.

I find UKIP a bit 1930's protectionist and right wing / crazy.

I do understand that they do have a point, to er a point but are also a bit short sighted.

If all of the illegal and legal immigrants were kicked out of the country then the productivity of the country would sink.
Many if not the majority of immigrants illegal or legal are quite productive and proactive. It must me said, putting some of the natives to shame. Also though, the fact that they are immigrants means that they are quite proactive anyway.

Then, to come out of Europe, our largest trading partner would sink GDP and companies would leave.
Not right away but some large ones certainly would.


Having said that though, after a generation, with the right management the native populous could be quite productive and certainly richer. It would be painful though.

Also, it is good to see the other parties getting a bit of a kicking, especially Labour and the current front bench. What a shower of incompetent twats they are. They need to start acting like an opposition and not a protest party.

Nigel and UKIP do give it a good go but ultimately a man and party of the times with a bit of an elastic problem, in that they are trying to reach out to the conservative right and mid-left politically, which ultimately will mean that they will come a cropper.

Fun though and a fun election.

[darmstadt]

They have talked about a flat tax rate a number of times although at their last conference they said:

We will introduce a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000, whereupon the 40p rate becomes payable.

They also said they want to get rid of the Agency Workers Directive, get rid of the Equalites Commission, remove the Ministry of Defense but increase spending for defense (haven't worked that one out.) Actually they've said a hell of a lot things that they're going to do but not how they're going to do it nor what they'll replace them with. Here's a Mail article about the new manifesto and why you won't see it in the not too distant future: Redirecting you to www.dailymail.co.uk | donotlink.com

[Zero Liability]

The "infographic" is garbage, plain and simple, as it has virtually no basis to make statements like the ones it does. The truth of the matter is that it is trading on the negative perception of the Tea Party amongst self-described "liberals" and "progressives" and trying to tar Ukip with the same brush, including the usage of phrases like "eroding" worker's "rights", without any real commentary on whether these "rights" accomplish what they set out to, or perhaps even carry with them negative, unintended consequences. Of course, none of the major parties have been particularly specific as to their plans, either, and most of them have a track record of deviating from them, at any rate. Nothing Ukip has come out with in the past few months warrants almost anything in that picture, which is a bit disappointing in some cases, but to be expected.

[darmstadt]

Ditto, albeit that picture gets away with being largely non-specific and therefore, mostly drivel. I would daresay Farage is also a fair few standard deviations more intelligent than Sarah Palin, but it's a nice, if not rather dull, attempt to discredit him. I'd like someone to pinpoint what these 'massive' cuts or increases are, exactly. Being a libertarian myself, I have little issue with most of the ideas on that poster, except few of them actually represent Ukip policy at present, and most are framed in a pejorative manner to influence the reader's response to it, including the last point, which is utter tripe given Farage's past statements regarding the banking sector and the Tea Party's impetus to bring some control back over the Fed. However, I guess this is designed for the same audience of luminaries that Channel 4 amateurish propaganda was.

Good taste in avatars, BTW.

Of course its non-specific as Ukip have themselves been non-specific with what their policies are apart from a few soundbites. They were meant to release their policy this weekend at their conference but Farage overrode the manifesto chief so no-one exactly knows what their policies are apart from the inner circle which is why memes like that come about. You could always use their 2010 manifesto to fact check, if you can find it as its been deleted and was ditched by Farage as drivel even though he wrote the forward. Until Ukip come out with their policies in a manifesto then items such as this will continue to be published.

[Zero Liability]

Ditto, albeit that picture gets away with being largely non-specific and therefore, mostly drivel. I would daresay Farage is also a fair few standard deviations more intelligent than Sarah Palin, but it's a nice, if not rather dull, attempt to discredit him. I'd like someone to pinpoint what these 'massive' cuts or increases are, exactly. Being a libertarian myself, I have little issue with most of the ideas on that poster, except few of them actually represent Ukip policy at present, and most are framed in a pejorative manner to influence the reader's response to it, including the last point, which is utter tripe given Farage's past statements regarding the banking sector and the Tea Party's impetus to bring some control back over the Fed. However, I guess this is designed for the same audience of luminaries that Channel 4 amateurish propaganda was.

Good taste in avatars, BTW.

[patrickbaitsman]

He needs to see how the Tea Party have gained so much support, as as mush as he hates the comparison, they are pretty much the same thing

This picture makes me want to vote for him. Unfortunately the TEA party used to be primarily about financial conservatism (TEA = Taxed Enough Already) but now the loony christian crowd have taken over it and ruined it with strong social conservatism - which I don't think UKIP has that issue.

[d000hg]

I wondered this too - he must be pretty busy. I don't really understand why they wanted him or cared what he thought over there anyway.

Does it lend him credibility somehow, with the tiny number of people in the UK who will even be aware he was there?

[SimonMac]

He needs to see how the Tea Party have gained so much support, as as mush as he hates the comparison, they are pretty much the same thing

[darmstadt]

Nah, he was there, seen his speech. Funnily enough Sarah Palin was his warm-up act. I think that the Bretbart promotional picture makes him look like what he is, a fat cat privileged loon:



Although the official one doesn't but I suspect the name of the venue might infuriate some kippers:

[TestMangler]

Maybe Nigel's isn't really going to the states. He maybe lives in the same fantasy world as MF. Oh yes I'm flying to LA then to Washington, when actually, he's driving from Southampton to Portsmouth.

[BrilloPad]

He went to see MF

Everything goes towards MF. He's so big he has his own gravity.

[DodgyAgent]

Why does Nigel Farage go to the States? Another politician who just cares about freebies - not the people he wants to represent.

He went to see MF

[BrilloPad]

Why does Nigel Farage go to the States? Another politician who just cares about freebies - not the people he wants to represent.