Reply to: Rant alert: Permie slackers

[suityou01]

No the last time I insulted you was yesterday when I asked if had got any more crumbs from the table of your German masters...

However, my complaint about you being pedantic (note spelling) previously was when you were being told about what needed to be done, this is telling others what needs to be done....

You carry on son.

[eek]

Just a quick reminder to the scriptwriters of the eek sockie, the last time you were criticising me it was for being overly pedentic in pursuit of requirements detail.

HTH

No the last time I insulted you was yesterday when I asked if had got any more crumbs from the table of your German masters...

However, my complaint about you being pedantic (note spelling) previously was when you were being told about what needed to be done, this is telling others what needs to be done....

[suityou01]

The more I read about it the more I think FLC was trying to implement the Suity Project methodology....

Get the original quote based on vague incomplete specifications and then get upset as the elaborations increase the amount of work required.

I can see the first few steps already:-

• its a simple wrapper to these SAP calls
• but it needs to save data so that users can use it offline
• but it needs to save transactions so that users can queue changes offline
• but it needs to manage queued transactions so it doesn't update records that have changed.....

Just a quick reminder to the scriptwriters of the eek sockie, the last time you were criticising me it was for being overly pedentic in pursuit of requirements detail.

HTH

[eek]

The more I read about it the more I think FLC was trying to implement the Suity Project methodology....

Get the original quote based on vague incomplete specifications and then get upset as the elaborations increase the amount of work required.

I can see the first few steps already:-

• its a simple wrapper to these SAP calls
• but it needs to save data so that users can use it offline
• but it needs to save transactions so that users can queue changes offline
• but it needs to manage queued transactions so it doesn't update records that have changed.....

[woohoo]

And yes, he said it was a piece of cake for him on Friday - Both offline and online working.

Development time quoted was 1 week, but he says it could take him atleast two weeks at the end of Tuesday.

Previous experience for a similar app with more functionality than this says it CANNOT take more than 2 weeks for a seasoned developer.

What do you expect me to do? Sick his duck for the build?

I don't expect you to do anything you arrogant tulip. You obviously know everything and I'm surprised you haven't written the app on your own.

[suityou01]

The permies here have all now buggered off to drink beer, starting at 11:11 and then off to a big party in the main building with fancy dress and disco which starts at 15:11. Yep, its carnival time this weekend. I'm going home at 13:00 after a stress free 2.5 day working week

Lots of drunken clowns here too.

[darmstadt]

The permies here have all now buggered off to drink beer, starting at 11:11 and then off to a big party in the main building with fancy dress and disco which starts at 15:11. Yep, its carnival time this weekend. I'm going home at 13:00 after a stress free 2.5 day working week

[suityou01]

PM me the spec and I'll write it for you. Very reasonable rates. Kerching!

[FatLazyContractor]

Have you heard that assumptions make an ass out of....

... the developer, yes.

HTH

PS - I am a developer too, among the raft other things I do, if it helps!

[eek]

Have you heard of 'Delivered in the past' ?

Have you heard that assumptions make an ass out of....

[FatLazyContractor]

Contractor but also a dev..... There is particular 1 line within your rant that shows you are a clueless dangerous would you like to guess which one it is...

I'm still waiting, your honour.

[FatLazyContractor]

And yes, he said it was a piece of cake for him on Friday - Both offline and online working.

Development time quoted was 1 week, but he says it could take him atleast two weeks at the end of Tuesday.

Previous experience for a similar app with more functionality than this says it CANNOT take more than 2 weeks for a seasoned developer.

What do you expect me to do? Sick his duck for the build?

[FatLazyContractor]

Out of interest as a designer and analyst how do you know it's perfectly do-able? It does kinda piss me off when you speak to someone and they try to rail road an application or system despite concerns, sure your not doing that?

Have you heard of 'Delivered in the past' ?

[woohoo]

[Begin of Rant]
Monday: The App developer asks me "nicely" that he needs to fix some urgent issues on some other project and eats half the day away. Post lunch, we sit together and I take him through the grand plan which is perfectly do-able though slightly complicated. He moans a bit that it is a bit complex as it involves offline working

[End of Rant]

and breathe.

Out of interest as a designer and analyst how do you know it's perfectly do-able? It does kinda piss me off when you speak to someone and they try to rail road an application or system despite concerns, sure your not doing that?

[suityou01]