Reply to: The Terrorists are winning

[sasguru]

He He. I'm beginning to like this Allah chappie. He's got a wicked sense of humour, having Chico as his spokesman. A bit like the Conservative party hiring the Chuckle brothers.

[oraclesmith]

Go, teach, baptize. Hate of other faiths is anathema to true Christians. If you're looking for a Holy War against the Muslims, then you're departing from true Christianity. Read your Bible Chico.

[Chico]

As per an earlier post I do love my neighbours enough to tell them truth and obey the Christian Great Commission to the world about Jesus or does your love amount to apathy as to their eternal destiny?

[oraclesmith]

No Chico, I mean the sort of Christianity that takes 'love thy neighbour as thyself' seriously.

[Chico]

Well, thanks for that Chico, but I'll pass. I have a rather more tolerant attitude towards other faiths, in keeping with the vast majority of Christians, Muslims, Sikh's, Hindu's, Buddhists etc. I'd rather not be poisoned by religious hatred like the sentiments in your amateurish preachings, thankyou very much.

What you really mean is that there is no such thing as an absolute truth, it is all relative so each faith system is as equal as the next. Welcome to the mishmash secular, new age, tree hugging mumbo jumbo logic. No wonder the Muslims feel they can bully anyone who dares speak the truth about their religion.

[oraclesmith]

Well, thanks for that Chico, but I'll pass. I have a rather more tolerant attitude towards other faiths, in keeping with the vast majority of Christians, Muslims, Sikh's, Hindu's, Buddhists etc. I'd rather not be poisoned by religious hatred like the sentiments in your amateurish preachings, thankyou very much.

[Chico]

I don't think a Chick cartoon is going to be either accurate or unbiased. Do you ? This is the site that implores people to purchase bulk packs of evangelistic cartoons from them to put in pockets of clothes in stores, on car windscreens and anywhere they can dump them. I'd rather have the Jehovah's knocking at the door, at least they don't pollute the environment with their publicity.

Well if tracts are not your thing then you can try the verbose variety. Truth will out. Link here

[oraclesmith]

I don't think a Chick cartoon is going to be either accurate or unbiased. Do you ? This is the site that implores people to purchase bulk packs of evangelistic cartoons from them to put in pockets of clothes in stores, on car windscreens and anywhere they can dump them. I'd rather have the Jehovah's knocking at the door, at least they don't pollute the environment with their publicity.

[Chico]

Dude if you want a concise easy to read and accurate history of the formation of Islam read this

[Nipple Clamp]

Dude - you obviously have not read the Koran. I have.

Below is a starter for five. The Suras are listed so you can look it up.

From the Koran:

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

There is much more and unlike Biblical historical descriptions these read in context are commandments for Muslims.

Chico, in case you're not aware, those quotes are directed not against Christians but at pagans in the Prophet's own homeland! Before the rise of Islam, tribes in the Arabian peninsular practiced an assortment of animist religions, which included worshipping idols, sacrificing children, and so on.

Most of the prophet's life was spent literally fighting these tribes, and Christianity was the least of his concerns. In fact, as I'm sure you _are_ aware, muslims consider Jesus as a prophet (although not divine in the way Christians believe - but then they don't claim that even of Mohammed).

[Nipple Clamp]

Well considering God the Creator exists outside space, time, logic etc... in fact they are all part of the creation as well so off course he would not be subject to the laws of his creation. Can your self styled atheist reasoning compute that?

But God would have had to interact with "space, time, logic, etc" in a consistent way, according to your crude "hands on" belief. So God must be part of the same rubric, perhaps on a broader scale, and you're back where you started.

[threaded]

Watch out bogeyman, the Children (of God) will get you !

Beware of the flowers, 'cause I'm sure they're goin' to get you...

[xoggoth]

I stand corrected Chico. Never let it be said us xoggoths do not admit our errors.

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[The Master]

What, like one of the disciples who tried to defend Jesus when he was arrested and was quite rightly rebuked thus:

"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

This being the very last instruction Jesus gave before his crucifixion.

Can you please copy and paste the pre-prepared passage from your favourite fundamentalist website that justifies this appaling reinterpretation of the word of Christ so that we can all read it and see exactly how far you and your ilk have perverted the teachings of one of the most peace loving people who ever walked the Earth?

[Andy\/\/]

Chico,

If I am good and go to heaven will our dog Boxer be there? We had to put him to sleep last year.