Access to Your Account and Content -

[Sysman]

Exactly the same kind of clauses appear in Dropbox, Google, Office 365 and all the other cloud services.

If you look at your ISP contract it will say similar in there as well with regard to monitoring your email and network traffic.

That starts to get scary in the context of The chap who has a dispute with Comcast.

Dispute with ISP? Best not use their mail servers then.

And make sure you encrypt traffic to other mail servers too. That's not even near bulletproof if they are controlling all your traffic.

Yours paranoidally etc etc

[darmstadt]

In the UK failure to disclose on request is an offence under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act carrying a penalty on conviction of up to 2 years in Jail. It has been used and people have been jailed for it.

In the US you just get sent to Guantanamo until you hand them over

FTFY

[DaveB]

Glad I don't live in the UK.

So you can be imprisoned without evidence of committing a crime. 1930's Germany had nothing on this.

You might want to think about your future plans based on the location comment under your avatar

[scooterscot]

Details here, scary stuff.

Glad I don't live in the UK.

So you can be imprisoned without evidence of committing a crime. 1930's Germany had nothing on this.

[DaveB]

I do use a cloud service. The data is encrypted. There's no way I'd give up the keys. What would be the charge?

In the UK failure to disclose on request is an offence under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act carrying a penalty on conviction of up to 2 years in Jail. It has been used and people have been jailed for it.

In the US there is no specific law regarding disclosure but attempts to use the 5th Amendment (Protecting the defendant from being forced to incriminate themselves) have not been entirely successful. One judge has ruled that since the encryption key itself does not constitute incriminating evidence there is no protection under the 5th amendment from being required to disclose it and failure to do so would be treated as obstruction. There are a number of cases ongoing around this, but so far the Law Enforcement agencies have the upper hand.

[stek]

I do use a cloud service. The data is encrypted. There's no way I'd give up the keys. What would be the charge?

You only say that because you've been told that by the Cloudco. Any due diligence?

The only safe data is in your head.

[DiscoStu]

I do use a cloud service. The data is encrypted. There's no way I'd give up the keys. What would be the charge?

Details here, scary stuff.

[scooterscot]

I do use a cloud service. The data is encrypted. There's no way I'd give up the keys. What would be the charge?

[DaveB]

uh huh. The reason why I'll never store any of my 'stuff' on their servers unencrypted...

During my update to Yosemite

Exactly the same kind of clauses appear in Dropbox, Google, Office 365 and all the other cloud services.

If you look at your ISP contract it will say similar in there as well with regard to monitoring your email and network traffic.

Even if you encrypt it, if they know it's yours local law enforcement will simply pick you up on suspicion and demand the encryption keys. If you don't hand them over you go to jail anyway.

Maintaining any sort of personal security online now requires serious effort and if law enforcement takes an interest in you is nigh on impossible without a huge amount of forward planning.

[scooterscot]

uh huh. The reason why I'll never store any of my 'stuff' on their servers unencrypted...

During my update to Yosemite

. Access to Your Account and Content

Apple reserves the right to take steps Apple believes are reasonably necessary or appropriate to enforce and/or verify compliance with any part of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that Apple may, without liability to you, access, use, preserve and/or disclose your Account information and Content to law enforcement authorities, government officials, and/or a third party, as Apple believes is reasonably necessary or appropriate, if legally required to do so or if Apple has a good faith belief that such access, use, disclosure, or preservation is reasonably necessary to: (a) comply with legal process or request; (b) enforce this Agreement, including investigation of any potential violation thereof; (c) detect, prevent or otherwise address security, fraud or technical issues; or (d) protect the rights, property or safety of Apple, its users, a third party, or the public as required or permitted by law.