Reply to: Even More Hillsborough...

[Mordac]

[QUOTE=BrilloPad;2244756]

At least that wasn't the case with Chilcott.

Hang on....

I hope the verdict provides some comfort to the families of the victims.

I had a vague connection with 2 girls who died (same town, some friends in common etc). Never knew them mind (it did iirc kill their parents marriage - hidden costs and all that). Your conclusion is about the same as mine, although I would have used the word "closure" instead.

[BrilloPad]

[QUOTE=MarillionFan;2244740]

After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve/QUOTE]

Kerching, kerching, kerching.

At least that wasn't the case with Chilcott.

Hang on....

I hope the verdict provides some comfort to the families of the victims.

[Mordac]

[QUOTE=MarillionFan;2244740]

After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve/QUOTE]

Kerching, kerching, kerching.

And some bugger had the nerve to accuse me of being cynical...

[MarillionFan]

[QUOTE=SimonMac;2244489]After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve/QUOTE]

Kerching, kerching, kerching.

[barrydidit]

No CCTV, so no recriminations from either side. Massive them and us attitude back then.

I'm still astounded that they treated the 96 en masse. To clarify, there were, in effect, two sets of deaths. The most shameful thing is that you only see one ambulance in the stadium. The police prevented a further 43 ambulances entering the stadium. Estimates were that up to 41 of the victims could have been saved if they had been allowed in and treatment given. While all 96 deaths were a result of the crush, the police clearly have the blood of at least 55 on their hands for failing to allow the ambulances in. The rest are due to the decisions made.

The biggest unknown is how many would have died at the turnstiles had Gate C not have been opened. A very embarrassing day for SYP.

I was listening to a series of clips on radio 4 this morning. They were from the original saturday afternoon commentary on Radio 2. Interesting how the reporting changed as the story developed over the course of the afternoon. One point though - I remember there being 2 ambulances referenced this morning, and the point being made that the first one couldn't get out of the ground because of the numbers of people.

They also had an interview with a GP who was there who said there was no defibrilator in the ground, and the oxygen bottle brought to assist with resuscitation turned out to be empty.

It's probably available on the iplayer and is worth a listen.

[LondonManc]

There was a guy on the radio who was there said the same thing. Closure and clearing the fans part in the disaster, he said mud sticks and has done for 27 years, but after today people know the truth.

qh

Beeky was massively discredited after Hillsborough and his career took a bit of a nosedive.
His commentary is second-to-none and I've great respect for the guy.

If the ground was still like this today, the police wouldn't have been able to cover it up. Sign of the times of the 80s, where The Sun and The Mirror told people what to think.

[Mordac]

No CCTV, so no recriminations from either side. Massive them and us attitude back then.

I'm still astounded that they treated the 96 en masse. To clarify, there were, in effect, two sets of deaths. The most shameful thing is that you only see one ambulance in the stadium. The police prevented a further 43 ambulances entering the stadium. Estimates were that up to 41 of the victims could have been saved if they had been allowed in and treatment given. While all 96 deaths were a result of the crush, the police clearly have the blood of at least 55 on their hands for failing to allow the ambulances in. The rest are due to the decisions made.

The biggest unknown is how many would have died at the turnstiles had Gate C not have been opened. A very embarrassing day for SYP.

Sadly, for those families involved, you are rather tragically correct...

[LondonManc]

Fair point - but that may be just because that was what was expected. Police were incompetent. The football specials weren't that special. Trust me, travelled on a few...They usually broke down at Crewe...

No CCTV, so no recriminations from either side. Massive them and us attitude back then.

I'm still astounded that they treated the 96 en masse. To clarify, there were, in effect, two sets of deaths. The most shameful thing is that you only see one ambulance in the stadium. The police prevented a further 43 ambulances entering the stadium. Estimates were that up to 41 of the victims could have been saved if they had been allowed in and treatment given. While all 96 deaths were a result of the crush, the police clearly have the blood of at least 55 on their hands for failing to allow the ambulances in. The rest are due to the decisions made.

The biggest unknown is how many would have died at the turnstiles had Gate C not have been opened. A very embarrassing day for SYP.

[quackhandle]

That would be Beacky then (fellow TS listener)

FiveLive.

qh

[Mordac]

There was a guy on the radio who was there said the same thing. Closure and clearing the fans part in the disaster, he said mud sticks and has done for 27 years, but after today people know the truth.

qh

That would be Beacky then (fellow TS listener)

[quackhandle]

After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve, the families said after the 27th anniversary that there will be no more public displays of remembrance, and I hope that now people have the answers a closure can be brought

There was a guy on the radio who was there said the same thing. Closure and clearing the fans part in the disaster, he said mud sticks and has done for 27 years, but after today people know the truth.

qh

[Mordac]

The cynic in me says compensation.

Amazed it's been covered up how vile away football fans were back then. Liverpool and United had some of the worst fans in the country (and that's from a United fan).

I feel sorry for the innocents who lost lives; anyone setting out to genuinely watch a football match should return home safely.

Fair point - but that may be just because that was what was expected. Police were incompetent. The football specials weren't that special. Trust me, travelled on a few...They usually broke down at Crewe...

[LondonManc]

After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve, the families said after the 27th anniversary that there will be no more public displays of remembrance, and I hope that now people have the answers a closure can be brought

The cynic in me says compensation.

Amazed it's been covered up how vile away football fans were back then. Liverpool and United had some of the worst fans in the country (and that's from a United fan).

I feel sorry for the innocents who lost lives; anyone setting out to genuinely watch a football match should return home safely.

[SimonMac]

As one who used to go to away games in the 80's, what it might achieve is an admission that the police basically didn't give a toss. There but for the grace of God, etc...

Apologies have been numerous over the years, but in the end they are only words, real changes have been made in the safety at football grounds already

[Mordac]

After 27 years I am not sure what the verdict can achieve, the families said after the 27th anniversary that there will be no more public displays of remembrance, and I hope that now people have the answers a closure can be brought

As one who used to go to away games in the 80's, what it might achieve is an admission that the police basically didn't give a toss. There but for the grace of God, etc...