Reply to: Question for the IPSE CC members who post here

[TheFaQQer]

And that is explained perfectly in the forums, which you can read. And for the benefit of non-members, as we don't delete old posts, people who have been and then gone need to be counted in the forum software need to remain in the forum users database otherwise their posts would disappear. And you wonder why we don't want to argue with the petty nonsense that faqqer spouts in public.

I've found the explanation now, thank you.

It was only added 18 minutes before my comment, and I wasn't looking at the IPSE forums, but nonetheless I apologise for not having checked carefully enough why the count was out.

[v8gaz]

Given that the PCG had 23000 members tops, and the IPSE forum has 48178 members, that's a lot of people who aren't paid up members. Or the software can't count.

And that is explained perfectly in the forums, which you can read. And for the benefit of non-members, as we don't delete old posts, people who have been and then gone need to be counted in the forum software need to remain in the forum users database otherwise their posts would disappear. And you wonder why we don't want to argue with the petty nonsense that faqqer spouts in public.

[eek]

You can discuss it here as much as you like but I wouldn't expect any answers to questions relating to the running of the organisation.

I'm just a normal member but one of the privilages is membership of the IPSE forums to discuss internal matters.

Its not an internal matter. My question was why should I be recommending IPSE (as a none member) to the people malvolio stated are 1 reason for the rebrand.

And remember he explicitly references graduates doing freelance work. Of whom I know a fair few and all of them are doing freelance work because they cannot find the permanent job their would prefer....

[v8gaz]

Missing the point - happy to discuss the good works of IPSE on here, but not to engage in complaint handling. There's a difference.

[eek]

The evening I went to had freelancers in marketing, PR, finance and counselling who are independent professionals and self-employed but don't work like contractors. (There are other people I know/known in similar things.) Likewise we use to have social worker on here.

You would tell care workers to join a union, but unions aren't appropriate if you are a freelancer in marketing or PR who is experienced and making a decent living out of it.

True, but that isn't the justification that was being used

And that explains the huge proportion of university leavers how...?

Of course, there's an element of what you're saying, but the point is there's a lot of people working without a contract of employment. They still need support and representation, whether you call them "professionals" or not. And, amazingly to most on here I suspect, IR35 is a minor element of that support.

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Now a professional marketing or PR professional is a perfect market for IPSE to target but they are not the people malvolio is talking about there. And IPSE (unless it has utterly changed its spots) is absolutely not the best organisation to be protecting the rights of those who freelance because they cannot find the permanent job their would prefer...

[I just need to test it]

Oh what? I've just got the hang of HTH and now there's been an outbreak of BIDIs. It's almost as if you all just need to keep me guessing.

EDIT: But I Doubt It. Ha

[JustinTime]

I'm just a normal member but one of the privilages is membership of the IPSE forums to discuss internal matters.

Which they do ad nauseum. I think that they'd do better to get on with stuff, but the consensus other there always seemed to be on how best to sort the paperclips.

That might have changed, but I doubt it.

[DiscoStu]

Given that the PCG had 23000 members tops, and the IPSE forum has 48178 members, that's a lot of people who aren't paid up members. Or the software can't count.

I wonder if there's a way to register sockies...

[TheFaQQer]

That way you know that the people having an opinion have paid for it by joining up and aren't anonymous users on an open forum.

Given that the PCG had 23000 members tops, and the IPSE forum has 48178 members, that's a lot of people who aren't paid up members. Or the software can't count.

[Batcher]

As I am no longer a member of the PCG would it be fair to say that the place to discuss it may be here.

You can discuss it here as much as you like but I wouldn't expect any answers to questions relating to the running of the organisation.

I'm just a normal member but one of the privilages is membership of the IPSE forums to discuss internal matters.

[SueEllen]

Yes but see my comment above. The justification seems to be to capture a new set of potential customers who I believe IPSE are both wholly unable and totally inappropriate to offer support to.

The evening I went to had freelancers in marketing, PR, finance and counselling who are independent professionals and self-employed but don't work like contractors. (There are other people I know/known in similar things.) Likewise we use to have social worker on here.

You would tell care workers to join a union, but unions aren't appropriate if you are a freelancer in marketing or PR who is experienced and making a decent living out of it.

[TheFaQQer]

That's funny, 'cos I don't. I signed off for eight months in 2008 for good but unstated reasons. It wasn't because I was a CC member

And like V8 I'm very happy to answer questions on IPSE and the CC's role in it, but not on here.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I'm sure that you said something about it not being appropriate for you to post while you were a CC member. Just after you were elected.

If the forum search facility was better, it would make it much easier to find, of course, and it would have been a number of versions ago.

Anyway, I've now asked the simple question that you won't answer here on the IPSE forums. Please feel free to give just a yes or no answer.

TIA

[DiscoStu]

While I have no real vested interest why not in here?

Surely any business should be willing to promote itself on all available forums as it will help bring in new customers...

This whole - well we cannot talk to you unless you join our gang and come to our gang hut seems to be a strange attitude to take.

You don't want to go to their gang hut, there's far too much pastel blue going on.

[Batcher]

While I have no real vested interest why not in here?

Surely any business should be willing to promote itself on all available forums as it will help bring in new customers...

This whole - well we cannot talk to you unless you join our gang and come to our gang hut seems to be a strange attitude to take.

That's fair enough if you are talking about the benefits of membership to non-members or other promotional reasons but the actual running of the organisation, CC elections, etc., is for the members to discuss on their own closed forum.

That way you know that the people having an opinion have paid for it by joining up and aren't anonymous users on an open forum.

[original PM]

While I have no real vested interest why not in here?

Surely any business should be willing to promote itself on all available forums as it will help bring in new customers...

This whole - well we cannot talk to you unless you join our gang and come to our gang hut seems to be a strange attitude to take.