Reply to: Terrorists or victims?

[darmstadt]

Do you have any kind of estimate as to what % of Muslims, born in Britain, turn to jihadism?

Yes, but I'm not going to tell you (*) Actually I don't think that these young people turning to jihadism are truly representative of real Muslims. The Muslims that I know would never believe of acting in this way


(* Kippers, NBR, EDL, etc. members probably could though )

[EternalOptimist]

Do you have any kind of estimate as to what % of Muslims, born in Britain, turn to jihadism?

about .02% . thats my estimate

[Old Greg]

Or this one: David Cameron unveils new terror crackdown as Scots girl incites massacre on Britain | Mail Online

or this one: White British girl who's now a 'celebrity jihadi': Mother-of-two a 'top priority' for MI6 and she calls on Muslims to join the terror group | Mail Online

or this one: British-born rapper is main suspect in search for ISIS jihadist who beheaded James Foley - NY Daily News

or these: Our boys in the Islamic state: Britain's export jihad » The Spectator

It is a simple question, but there are only fragments of an answer. The question is: Why do so many Muslims, born in Britain, turn to jihadism?

Do you have any kind of estimate as to what % of Muslims, born in Britain, turn to jihadism?

[EternalOptimist]

UK Exports are low

Despite all the concerns over UK citizens fighting abroad, it seems we are way down the league in terms of proportion

[darmstadt]

You do realise most of those damn idiots are British born or highly skilled immigrants? Like these

Or this one: David Cameron unveils new terror crackdown as Scots girl incites massacre on Britain | Mail Online

or this one: White British girl who's now a 'celebrity jihadi': Mother-of-two a 'top priority' for MI6 and she calls on Muslims to join the terror group | Mail Online

or this one: British-born rapper is main suspect in search for ISIS jihadist who beheaded James Foley - NY Daily News

or these: Our boys in the Islamic state: Britain's export jihad » The Spectator

It is a simple question, but there are only fragments of an answer. The question is: Why do so many Muslims, born in Britain, turn to jihadism?

[SueEllen]

You can see the problem when you look at the citizenship test in the Independent.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl..._campaign=i100

WTF does any of that have to do with being a useful British citizen? After first establishing they speak good English, are likely to be high earners who will make a very positive contribution, do not have any serious existing health conditions and are willing to integrate, they should ask questions like:

Do you support democracy, a secular society, freedom of choice of the individual provided it does not unduly impact others and equality for all British citizens?

None of them are going to say "No" are they?

Haven't you seen those immigration programs on Sky?

I know how to lie to immigration in various countries if I wanted to work abroad illegally and what not to pack......

Also, depending on country of origin, they should be required to say they understand and accept specific British laws, like those against FMG, honour killing, forced marriage or poaching and do not have any stupid beliefs like witchcraft.

Citizenship should also be provisional for at least five years. Any lies in the application, serious crime or unreasonable use of our services should be grounds for revocation and deportation.

You do realise most of those damn idiots are British born or highly skilled immigrants? Like these

[CheeseSlice]

From the OP:

I am concerned about the presumption that all the young men coming back from Syria are terrorists. It is likely that some are suffering post-traumatic stress and need help.
Some will have come back disillusioned, having gone out to fight for a cause and found barbarity and cruelty instead. I hope they are being treated individually and humanely rather than demonised.


Mary Barnes
London NW5

Well today Dave has announced the solution.
Don't worry the youngsters will be fine aftewards:

British jihadists to be forced to attend deradicalisation programmes, says Cameron - Telegraph

In a Commons statement, Mr Cameron said: “Adhering to British values is not an option or a choice.

So, they must learn to love Big Brother again:



For those getting excited by this, I'm afraid the article isn't close to these films/books.

There are a number of different programmes currently running that the government could use to deradicalise terrorists.

The Al Furqan programme, which is run in prisons, uses Imams to challenge the views of extremist Islam through religious teaching.

The Healthy Identities Intervention is a more introspective approach where psychotherapists try to discover what triggered terrorists to become radicalised.

Which although fairly weak, is apparently much better than how things were being handled before now:

Mr Cameron said: “I think it is important that Prevent is focused on counter-radicalisation.

“In the past some money was spent on organisations who were part of the problem rather than the solution."

Say what?
How exactly did we happen to spend money on organisations that were 'part of the problem'?

[Dactylion]

You can see the problem when you look at the citizenship test in the Independent.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl..._campaign=i100

WTF does any of that have to do with being a useful British citizen? After first establishing they speak good English, are likely to be high earners who will make a very positive contribution, do not have any serious existing health conditions and are willing to integrate, they should ask questions like:

Do you support democracy, a secular society, freedom of choice of the individual provided it does not unduly impact others and equality for all British citizens?

Also, depending on country of origin, they should be required to say they understand and accept specific British laws, like those against FMG, honour killing, forced marriage or poaching and do not have any stupid beliefs like witchcraft.

Citizenship should also be provisional for at least five years. Any lies in the application, serious crime or unreasonable use of our services should be grounds for revocation and deportation.

You are a bit of a wishy-washy liberal aren't you?

[xoggoth]

You can see the problem when you look at the citizenship test in the Independent.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl..._campaign=i100

WTF does any of that have to do with being a useful British citizen? After first establishing they speak good English, are likely to be high earners who will make a very positive contribution, do not have any serious existing health conditions and are willing to integrate, they should ask questions like:

Do you support democracy, a secular society, freedom of choice of the individual provided it does not unduly impact others and equality for all British citizens?

Also, depending on country of origin, they should be required to say they understand and accept specific British laws, like those against FMG, honour killing, forced marriage or poaching and do not have any stupid beliefs like witchcraft.

Citizenship should also be provisional for at least five years. Any lies in the application, serious crime or unreasonable use of our services should be grounds for revocation and deportation.

[Old Greg]

She is probably not entirely wrong. Some may have been naïve and not realised what they were getting into, especially if they went a while ago before the news of the atrocities started.

Whichever, they are hardly useful citizens.

So retrain them as recruitment agents?

[Zero Liability]

Harsh, but not unreasonable.

We have ourselves a budding pimp!

But I can only echo the above.

[lilelvis2000]

They need to stay in whatever fly blown sh*t hole they chose to go to and never come back. ***** them

Now now. Surely Newcastle isn't that bad!

[xoggoth]

She is probably not entirely wrong. Some may have been naïve and not realised what they were getting into, especially if they went a while ago before the news of the atrocities started.

Whichever, they are hardly useful citizens. We can't undo past mistakes but we should not be repeating them my taking in any more migrants from Islamic countries without very strict checks and we need to kick out the political correct pretence, see the major branches of Islam for the backward political movements they are and start tackling extremism properly.

[scooterscot]

We can ban high powered vacum cleaners.
We can ban high powered hair dryers.

We cant ban ISIS Terrorists returniong back the the UK cos it leaves the 'Stateless'

Only one of them won't blow you away.

[SueEllen]

We can ban high powered vacum cleaners.
We can ban high powered hair dryers.

We cant ban ISIS Terrorists returniong back the the UK cos it leaves the 'Stateless'

Nothing to be confused about.

If you make someone stateless you can't prosecute them under any law for the horrendous crimes they do in another country.

In this case according to Mary they will be ill when they come back to Blighty. So with the fact they broke various UK laws a few decades in a secure mental hospital should sort them out.....