Reply to: Scottish Independence

[scooterscot]

I meant that any poll asking "would you prefer to be better off?", a large majority would vote yes.

People voting in a GE relying on lies spouted by politicians is a different thing altogether

So the circle is complete. Politicians are self serving, saying what they please to get them in power. But a referendum does not come about very often.

People have to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Consider that and the fog clears away quite quickly.

[Batcher]

Citizens of the UK have been doing exactly this every time there's a general election.

Rephrase your question.

I meant that any poll asking "would you prefer to be better off?", a large majority would vote yes.

People voting in a GE relying on lies spouted by politicians is a different thing altogether

[d000hg]

Yourself and minestrone appear to care strongly enough to feel the need to become abusive about it.

They don't need an excuse.

[scooterscot]

Who would actually vote for something that makes them worse off?
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Citizens of the UK have been doing exactly this every time there's a general election.

Rephrase your question.

[Spartacus]

If only there was anyone that gave a flying f**k what you think, you may be onto something.

Yourself and minestrone appear to care strongly enough to feel the need to become abusive about it.

[shaunbhoy]

People whose principles can be so easily bought don't deserve a place in any union I'd want to be a part of.

If only there was anyone that gave a flying f**k what you think, you may be onto something.

[Spartacus]

I give up.

I can only add that it is frightening someone like yourself so utterly devoid of reasoning and logical analysis actually has a vote.

I don't, only people who live in Scotland do. Isn't that where we came in (more English people favour Scottish independence than do Scottish people)?

[Batcher]

I think it's just normal human reaction to the question.

Who would actually vote for something that makes them worse off?

I'm sure if you put the question to English voters with, say UKIP v Tories, that one would make you better off and the other would make you worse off then most would vote to be better off.

[minestrone]

Isn't that what you said?

I give up.

I can only add that it is frightening someone like yourself so utterly devoid of reasoning and logical analysis actually has a vote.

[Spartacus]

So the whole of the western world is "shallow and easily bought"?

Isn't that what you said?

The entire western world selects its government based on economic performance.

[minestrone]

No, I am suggesting it is entirely the same. It's all about the money.

So the whole of the western world is "shallow and easily bought"?

[Spartacus]

The entire western world selects its government based on economic performance.

Were you seriously suggesting that Scotland is any different?

No, I am suggesting it is entirely the same. It's all about the money.

[minestrone]

I am perfectly fine with that, you have already established that I am very stupid, and I freely and publically acknowledge that.

However, let's then be honest about the actual issue under debate and acknowledge the assertion that for a significant portion of Scots, the whole business is purely about financial gain and that all this guff about the principle of self determination is just that, guff.

It's only about the money.

The entire western world selects its government based on economic performance.

Were you seriously suggesting that Scotland is any different?

[Spartacus]

Actually, I would read from those figures that trying to buy them with £500 doesn't make much difference, but penalising them £500 would, indicating that they're not greedy, they just can't afford to be worse off.

Better off +9%, worse off -25%. Hmmm, yes, there might be something in that.

Maybe the nationalist moaners are doing their countrymen a disservice then? Although nationalist zeal and the principle of self-determination undoubtedly motivates a portion of the Scots surveyed, possibly those wealthier ones or those less concerned about potential hardship, they would be happy to inflict that financial hardship on the more ambivalent but less well off.

One to ponder.

[Spartacus]

You could just make some numbers up, you have been doing that quite a bit in the thread.

Pardon me for asking, but are you on your period at the moment?