Reply to: People should be more angry with politicians

[Gittins Gal]

Also a quarter of the births in the UK are to migrants. Some ethnic groups, products of migrations of the last few decades, also have much higher birth rates.

Friend of mine was saying that a lot of Asian folks are moving into some of the more salubrious parts of Bristol now. Whereas in the past you may have had, say, the odd Asian doctor now you're getting folks from a different demographic. Yes, these are big town houses and are expensive but they club together so that several generations - aunts, uncles, the lot club together and they can afford these big houses. Damn nightmare for parking though when you've got about 10 clapped out beemers from one household taking all the available spaces

At least packing them to the rafters makes some contribution to the housing crisis

[speling bee]

Also a quarter of the births in the UK are to migrants. Some ethnic groups, products of migrations of the last few decades, also have much higher birth rates.

Yes, my two fall into that category.

[speling bee]

You seem to be in denial that net immigration of 4 million since 1997 has increased the population, and thus the requirement for housing.

Where are they then?

No I'm not.

HTH

[xoggoth]

Also a quarter of the births in the UK are to migrants. Some ethnic groups, products of migrations of the last few decades, also have much higher birth rates.

[Doggy Styles]

Births and Deaths in England and Wales, 2011 (Final) - ONS

So one night expect that the difference between birth and death rates would account for an England and Wales increase of between 1 and 1.5 million over the last six years.

You seem to be in denial that net immigration of 4 million since 1997 has increased the population, and thus the requirement for housing.

Where are they then?

[Zero Liability]

Well, what they do would be considered fraud in any other context. Making electoral promises they know full well they do not intend to keep. Some are more expert at this than others.

[speling bee]

Hitchens is right. Alan Johnson is stuck back in some 1970's socialist fantasy world. The Labour party really, really needs to move on. Shouting 'racist!' at people just doesn't cut it anymore.

England is most crowded country in Europe - Telegraph




The article is from 2008. Since then the population has grown by, what, another 1 million - 1.5 million people?

Marvellous.

Births and Deaths in England and Wales, 2011 (Final) - ONS

Key Findings

There were 723,913 live births in England and Wales in 2011, increasing slightly (by 0.1 per cent) from 723,165 in 2010.There were 484,367 deaths registered in England and Wales in 2011, compared with 493,242 in 2010 (a fall of 1.8 per cent).

So one night expect that the difference between birth and death rates would account for an England and Wales increase of between 1 and 1.5 million over the last six years.

[speling bee]

So according to wiki, the population density of Holland is 1200/km2.

[speling bee]

Hitchens is right. Alan Johnson is stuck back in some 1970's socialist fantasy world. The Labour party really, really needs to move on. Shouting 'racist!' at people just doesn't cut it anymore.

England is most crowded country in Europe - Telegraph




The article is from 2008. Since then the population has grown by, what, another 1 million - 1.5 million people?

Marvellous.

From wiki. These are the figures for Netherlands. Not sure what the density of Holland is.

With a*population density*of 406 people per km² - 497 if water is excluded - the Netherlands is a*very densely populated country*for its size. Only*Bangladesh,*South Korea*and*Taiwan*have both a larger population and a higher population density.

[mudskipper]

They are placated with football, cheap booze and flat screen tvs.

[Flashman]

Everyone I've ever met who works in politics wants to, is motivated by good reasons. Your comment says more about yourself, that you would only ever do something for selfish reasons and therefore nobody else would either.

It seems something happens along the way to those with good motivations. Either the only way to get to a position of power is to play the game and by the time you "win" this changes you, or the self-interested ones get to the top through being willing to use more trickery.

There's a great quote in Hitch-hiker's Guide I can't find about this.

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do so"
Douglas Adams HHGTTG

Still miss Douglas

[xoggoth]

The facts are that politicians are disproportionately guilty of crime and fiddling expenses

Think d000gh is talking about basic tendencies, you are talking about reality of circumstances.

I always like reading crime pages for every place I've lived and have little doubt that people are just as intrinsically bad at every level of society. Crimes by famous/prominent people get a lot more coverage which makes them seem more prone to it. I could post loads of news links about serious sexual abuses, including some by organised rings, involving ordinary people in the months we've been constantly hearing about a few people like Saville and Harris but I expect you won't have heard of most of them.

If they do get away with things more and the crimes are more serious, it is because their power and influence gives them the chance to do it, not because of a basically worse nature.

[Flashman]

Hitchens is right. Alan Johnson is stuck back in some 1970's socialist fantasy world. The Labour party really, really needs to move on. Shouting 'racist!' at people just doesn't cut it anymore.

England is most crowded country in Europe - Telegraph

The number of people living in England has overtaken the population density of Holland, which has traditionally been the most densely-populated major nation on the continent.


The count, which has been attributed to higher levels of immigration, shows England now has 395 people per square kilometre.

The article is from 2008. Since then the population has grown by, what, another 1 million - 1.5 million people?

Marvellous.

[DodgyAgent]

What rot. This again is just you assuming everyone else is like you. Luckily, since you're a selfish cynical git, this isn't the case. Good people do exist, no matter how alien that concept is to you.

What age range would that be? I certainly know people in their twenties and early thirties in or aspiring to politics... or "para-politics" like action groups and social causes, etc.

Fundamentally, people like you lot who don't believe good people exist are as much of the problem as those you're complaining about.

You are a naive little fool. Perhaps you could support your claims with some evidence. The facts are that politicians are disproportionately guilty of crime and fiddling expenses. They then spin and lie and pretend that they are behaving for the benefit of the poor and needy. They may care on a certain level but ultimately they are driven by personal ambition.

[xoggoth]

It was banned in England in 1985

But nothing at all has been done until very recently. The first prosecutions started last March.