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Previously on "Possible perm opportunity to learn Biztalk - worth it?"
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostIf it's a sales job, then make sure you want to be in sales - when I was permie, I was always happy to evangelize about the product and reassure the client they had bought the right one, but couldn't see myself going out to sell and lie for a living.
That said, you only have to look at how different Larry Ellison's OOW presentations were between 2012 and 2013 to see how seriously Oracle are taking the Salesforce threat.
The job is technical, possibly pre-sales if I fancy it.
Not sure I can handle consultancy again though - to avoid long term travel was one of the reasons I jumped into contracting in the first place, so that I could choose where to work rather than be told.
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Originally posted by ChimpMaster View PostSalesforce is something I may well chase down again, if given the opportunity. Having researched it to some depth last year, I found it interesting and with the scope to learn so much more on the Cloud front.
That said, you only have to look at how different Larry Ellison's OOW presentations were between 2012 and 2013 to see how seriously Oracle are taking the Salesforce threat.
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Originally posted by xing View PostBizTalk is a dead end. It's likely used only in dull MS shops where the clueless managers are acting as MS salesman.Originally posted by jmo21 View PostSalesforce would have been a better niche to get into.
Salesforce is something I may well chase down again, if given the opportunity. Having researched it to some depth last year, I found it interesting and with the scope to learn so much more on the Cloud front.
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Salesforce would have been a better niche to get into.
If you want a MS product niche, Sharepoint would probably be worth more (its a total nightmare, so experts in it can charge a lot)
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Originally posted by ChimpMaster View PostHey all
Mexico have won 3-0 , I'm a few beers in and now on the vodka so thought I'd throw this out there: the client has asked me to go permie. Now the differential between consulting rate and permie salary is huge (~4:1), but the option is looking like either that the contract ends at some point in a few months or I go permie at a senior team lead tech level and then get the chance to learn some new products, the main one being BizTalk.
My current main contract market is niche (old) and I don't expect to remain in it after this contract. So if I don't do permiedom then I will take time off to re-evaluate my life goals. Or find another perm job where I can earn a good salary and still learn something new - you might recall that I was offered a job at Salesforce last year, for example, but for x number of reasons I didn't go for it.
Generally it looks like there is a market for BizTalk and it pays reasonably well, not great but OK. Are there any BizTalk guys here that have a view on this?
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Possible perm opportunity to learn Biztalk - worth it?
Hey all
Mexico have won 3-0 , I'm a few beers in and now on the vodka so thought I'd throw this out there: the client has asked me to go permie. Now the differential between consulting rate and permie salary is huge (~4:1), but the option is looking like either that the contract ends at some point in a few months or I go permie at a senior team lead tech level and then get the chance to learn some new products, the main one being BizTalk.
My current main contract market is niche (old) and I don't expect to remain in it after this contract. So if I don't do permiedom then I will take time off to re-evaluate my life goals. Or find another perm job where I can earn a good salary and still learn something new - you might recall that I was offered a job at Salesforce last year, for example, but for x number of reasons I didn't go for it.
Generally it looks like there is a market for BizTalk and it pays reasonably well, not great but OK. Are there any BizTalk guys here that have a view on this?Tags: None
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