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Previously on "Negotiate rate increase with agency or client?"
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Originally posted by Rabotnik View PostForgot to update the thread. The agent just emailed me one day and said the rate increase was approved. I didn't have to meet with the client after all, so don't know what that was about.
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Forgot to update the thread. The agent just emailed me one day and said the rate increase was approved. I didn't have to meet with the client after all, so don't know what that was about.
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Originally posted by BjornMorg View PostI have always negotiated my increase direct with current clientco. Even collaborated to squeeze the pimp's rate down to benefit my rate.
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Its the principle, call the pimps bluff, he will not want to lose 8 months worth of money for doing sweet FA, if you don't get it walk...
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I have always negotiated my increase direct with current clientco. Even collaborated to squeeze the pimp's rate down to benefit my rate.
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I'd talk to the client and find out what they are paying the agency just to make sure the agency aren't shafting you. Then take it from there - the agent can drop their margin to ~5% on a long contract like that.
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So the OP is on £400 day rate. For the sake of an extra £40 a week for a 8 month extension I would not even bother to be honest. Nice long term gig, you are comfortable there, I wouldn't
On the flip side though, I totally agree that the pimp could forsake some of their line and why the **** they have gone to the client is beyond me. Had this happen to me once before and made me feel very uncomfortable. I dont see why the pimp couldn't have said, "We cannot take this out of our margin, we would love to blah blah blah. If you want I can approach the client on your behalf" rather than going direct. I think when pimps do this it put's you in a bit of a situation with the clientco and management. I want to choose whether I want to engage with them on that, not the pimp.
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Originally posted by yasockie View PostAt least we're talking concrete numbers now 392 vs 400 per day.
I don't know ask the client if you can do an extra day of work 4 times a year and it will round up.
I would seriously not waste anyone's time on principle.
Agents will do whatever is possible to get the highest margin possible and that include lies. You should consider it as part of contractor's life.
Agent's promised he'd increase the rate. He lied, if you walk away because of this, sure he'll take a hit but you'll take a bigger hit and it just doesn't make sense to educate people like that - even if he did 'learn' from his mistakes there are hundreds of others who will successfully try the same.
Enjoy your daily 392 - even in London you can have a decent lifestyle with that.
Yeah I was put forward at £400 then I got the job and later that evening he called and said there was a mixup and I'd have to take £387. I thought I would do it since it was only a 3 month "build a datawarehouse" thing, but then they had loads of other stuff going on so I extended twice. I thought it was only fair that I get a little bump closer to the rate we agreed and this was my last chance for the next 8 months.
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Originally posted by CheeseSlice View PostLesson for next time - don't fall for the drop in rate because of an agent cock-up. Let the agent and the client work it out between themselves. Be prepared to walk because it wasn't your fault.
I know this doesn't help your current situation, but best never to be caught in it in the first place.
edit: whether you should talk to client about your rate depends on what terms you're on. Normally you're not supposed to, but you don't have to talk numbers if you're simply not happy with the situation. Personally I've not had any luck negotiating rate increase with clientcos, they're more often than not been pricing me into their future projects at my current rate, and any deviation would just screw things up. Best to just move onto another contract at the rate you want.
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At least we're talking concrete numbers now 392 vs 400 per day.
I don't know ask the client if you can do an extra day of work 4 times a year and it will round up.
I would seriously not waste anyone's time on principle.
Agents will do whatever is possible to get the highest margin possible and that include lies. You should consider it as part of contractor's life.
Agent's promised he'd increase the rate. He lied, if you walk away because of this, sure he'll take a hit but you'll take a bigger hit and it just doesn't make sense to educate people like that - even if he did 'learn' from his mistakes there are hundreds of others who will successfully try the same.
Enjoy your daily 392 - even in London you can have a decent lifestyle with that.
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostThe agency would like you to speak to the client so you need to go ahead. It would be different if the agency told you not to do that.
It's the agency who makes the call on this one.
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Originally posted by Rabotnik View PostNo, I didn't tell the client my rate, after the interview the agent told me there'd been a mistake and the client thought the rate the agent put on my CV included their cut. It was the first time this agency had placed someone there, so that's why there was confusion about what the total cost would be.
My main point with starting the thread was whether I should be talking to my client about a rate increase. I thought as a proper business I just tell it to the agency and it's up to them to pay me and they can try negotiate with the client but it's nothing to do with me.
I know this doesn't help your current situation, but best never to be caught in it in the first place.
edit: whether you should talk to client about your rate depends on what terms you're on. Normally you're not supposed to, but you don't have to talk numbers if you're simply not happy with the situation. Personally I've not had any luck negotiating rate increase with clientcos, they're more often than not been pricing me into their future projects at my current rate, and any deviation would just screw things up. Best to just move onto another contract at the rate you want.Last edited by CheeseSlice; 17 October 2013, 21:30.
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Originally posted by Rabotnik View PostLike I said, it's a 2% increase on a rate which I lowered to start with, and it doesn't even get me back to the initially agreed upon rate (which was a screw up between the agent and client). But that's beside the point, isn't it unusual for the agent to point me at the client?
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The agency would like you to speak to the client so you might as well go ahead. It would be different if the agency told you not to do that.
It's the agency who makes the call on this one.Last edited by BlasterBates; 17 October 2013, 21:27.
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