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[socialworker]

Comparing apples to oranges there methinks... a nurse and IT consultant are very different, if you want to compare salaries how much are the management on?

Comparing differnt salaries is always fraught, you can argue what you like but we undervalue people like them. Midwives carry enormous reponsibility. When you say the management depends what you mean by management, lots of NHS middle management are over paid by comparison to the front line in my opinion,k but Im sure they can put up a good argument why they are worth it. Im just pointing out that the general level of pay in the NHS is not great for the responsibility people hold. Twas ever thus, which is why my old dad switched from driving buses in London to driving a beer lorry, the pay for driving beer around was better than for driving people around. As to NHS pensions these were supposed to be a bit of a balancing factor e.g. the pay's crap but the pension is ok. When nearly the whole of the NHS is outsourced then the pensions will deteriorate. Community services in my area are already tendered out and the pensions are not final salary any more except for those TUPEd out.

[kal]

Plus pension, holidays, training, job security, sick pay, maternity/paternity pay etc.
In addition, what's to stop someone working in the NHS going into the private sector?

It might should like I undervalue these folk, but as stated earlier comparing a mid-wife's re-enumeration with that of a contractor is pointless.

Exactly, and don't forget the pension is a final salary pension!!

[Mister Clark]

Midwife starts outside London on £21k. A manager would be on £30 to £40k.

A midwife consultant would be on £40k to £67k.

Plus pension, holidays, training, job security, sick pay, maternity/paternity pay etc.
In addition, what's to stop someone working in the NHS going into the private sector?

It might should like I undervalue these folk, but as stated earlier comparing a mid-wife's re-enumeration with that of a contractor is pointless.

[Old Greg]

Comparing apples to oranges there methinks... a nurse and IT consultant are very different, if you want to compare salaries how much are the management on?

Midwife starts outside London on £21k. A manager would be on £30 to £40k.

A midwife consultant would be on £40k to £67k.

[kal]

Just as a small aside, look at salaries paid in the NHS - where I am currently working, physiotherapists start on £26,000 pa after top A levels, a 4 year course and constant CPD required. It's a highly technical job. Unless they move into management they never go above about £32k. Did anyone watch the midwife prog last night? 13 hour shifts where they never stop, huge responsibility and stress. Dont know what they get but it will be well under £30k. £200 a day may be chicken feed to you and I m sure the job requires a lot of experience, but it's hardly slave labour.

Comparing apples to oranges there methinks... a nurse and IT consultant are very different, if you want to compare salaries how much are the management on?

[eek]

Just as a small aside, look at salaries paid in the NHS - where I am currently working, physiotherapists start on £26,000 pa after top A levels, a 4 year course and constant CPD required. It's a highly technical job. Unless they move into management they never go above about £32k. Did anyone watch the midwife prog last night? 13 hour shifts where they never stop, huge responsibility and stress. Dont know what they get but it will be well under £30k. £200 a day may be chicken feed to you and I m sure the job requires a lot of experience, but it's hardly slave labour.

The thing is that the job is neither a business as usual role or a properly paid development (Hardly surprising as I've seen that trust wastes £100,000s on ill thought out systems over the years).

What they really need to is bring someone in for 3 months to create a finished set of reports and then someone on £15,000 a year to run them....

[socialworker]

Just as a small aside, look at salaries paid in the NHS - where I am currently working, physiotherapists start on £26,000 pa after top A levels, a 4 year course and constant CPD required. It's a highly technical job. Unless they move into management they never go above about £32k. Did anyone watch the midwife prog last night? 13 hour shifts where they never stop, huge responsibility and stress. Dont know what they get but it will be well under £30k. £200 a day may be chicken feed to you and I m sure the job requires a lot of experience, but it's hardly slave labour.

[kal]

If you go to the beginning of this thread, that's the same job advert, just re-written in a worse way with less detail.
Guess nobody is taking it up. Might put a winning bid for my new subby (my Nan). See if she fancies a stint in London as a DBA (a what?! , yes Nan, d-a-t-a b-a-s-e)...
£200 a day is great if you're getting a pension as well.

I am sure even recruitment agents must be embarrassed at advertising jobs with such crummy rates like these... oh hang on... that means that those pimps have a moral spectrum

[darrylmg]

If you go to the beginning of this thread, that's the same job advert, just re-written in a worse way with less detail.
Guess nobody is taking it up. Might put a winning bid for my new subby (my Nan). See if she fancies a stint in London as a DBA (a what?! , yes Nan, d-a-t-a b-a-s-e)...
£200 a day is great if you're getting a pension as well.

[eek]

Another classic but may I draw your particular attention to the bits in Bold which really add to the offer.

Hi

I am working with an NHS trust based in Yorkshire who are looking to recruit for a Datawarehouse Consultant on a 12 month contract.

My client is looking for someone with good skills in SQL and SSRS and SSIS ideally whilst knowledge of T-SQL and Stored Procedures is essential. Candidates should also be familiar with Mental Health Data ideally along with Lorenzo 1.9. Managerial experience would also be ideal.

This is a 12 month contract and the budget is a fixed £175 and this will be on the basis of a 4 day working week though the client may accommodate a potentially a day’s remote working. Do send me through your CV if you feel you would be suitable and are interested.

Best regards

Strangely enough I haven't applied.

[eek]

Today's classic

£300.00 - £400.00 per day
Contract3 months Employment Business: Spring Technology
Ref: JS-318660-A Posted: 02/10/2013 15:40:07

Day rate: £250 -£300 potential flexibility Contract Length: 3 month You will join an established team working on SDLC and release management You will have consistent .NET development exposure working with ASP.NET We would like someone with TFS 2010 Exposure. (see below) Spring Technology is acting as an Employment Business in relation to this vacancy. Spring Technology is an Equal Opportunities employer; we welcome applicants from all backgrounds.... [read more]

[Taita]

I can trump that one Just been sent this gem of a role - £200 a day for an 'expert Java dev' (With the usual array of DB and Web skills) in Central London. Its from those jokers at Computer Futures so I imagine the end client are probably ponying up £400 a day to the pimp


"Hope you're well. I am currently working with one of London's top University's who are looking for an experienced Java Developer to start ASAP. The successful candidate's job purpose will be to
build, validate and maintain databases to support clinical trials and other research activities. This is an initial 3 month contract which will extend that is paying around the £200 a day mark. Interviews will be next week.

Key Skills
-Expert JAVA programming
-Experience of designing, building and maintaining databases such as Oracle, MSSQL, MySQL and Access
-Experience of using Oracle PLSQL
-Proficient in Tomcat, Ajax, PHP

If interested and available in the coming weeks please respond with an up to date CV or get in touch to discuss further."

Think I'll give this one a miss for some reason...

"University's" -- universities, m'thinks!

[kal]

If they get enough genuine and provable rejections from suitable candidates, or even prove that they've advertised well enough to a target audience, who don't want to do the work then that seriously helps their case for a visa for their latest poor Indian sap. The poor sap who thinks they'll genuinely employ him long enough in the UK, on well under minimum wage after paying his tied accommodation, for him to get residency.

Indeed, £300 a day is just about do-able in the Midlands or North but this role was in Central London...

[jjdarg]

It's annoying. I have a friend who is a project manager in insurance. According to him, the culture of the insurance business is so different to anywhere else that you really MUST have insurance experience to do the job well. His last three projects were Exchange 2010 upgrade, a Sharepoint HR Portal upgrade and a server consolidation project. Yep, really three projects where insurance knowledge will trump good IT project management experience.

I've done contract project management in telecoms firms, local councils, law firms, accountancy firms, oil companies, internet service providers, the MoD, heavy manufacturing companies, food manufacturing companies, clothing retail and general retail. Each one had their concerns that I'd not worked in their industry before, not a single one had a major difference worth noting in how they operated, in fact the most confusing bit was the titles they gave each other in different industries. In fact, it was probably easier coming from outside as I didn't have the emotional baggage of "it's always done like that in this industry and I know no other way".

I'm sure it's an ego thing: "our work is so tough that we can't imagine anyone else having it as tough as we do, therefore we're going to discount any experience from anywhere else."

I find the Insurance industry is probably the most precious about this. I have applied many times for roles that could have been written using my CV, but as I don't have specific insurance industry experience, when I am put forward, my CV is usually binned.

Insurance is essentially 95% back office operations which are no different from back office operations in most other industries. Are their back office ops more boring and grey than other back office ops? Maybe that's the key.

(Of course an insurance bod would probably refute that...)

[craig1]

Bob Agencies?, recent mail I got was from some Indian woman trying to convince me to join her Fortune 1000(!) client & asking for the moon tech wise for £300 a day... jog on

If they get enough genuine and provable rejections from suitable candidates, or even prove that they've advertised well enough to a target audience, who don't want to do the work then that seriously helps their case for a visa for their latest poor Indian sap. The poor sap who thinks they'll genuinely employ him long enough in the UK, on well under minimum wage after paying his tied accommodation, for him to get residency.