Moving into a new sector

[NickNick]

I'd say that it would be harder if you are a BA as there is domain knowledge to take into account. As a developer this is not so important than for a BA who is talking directly to the business.

Well, I'm a BA and it's not been as issue that I or any of my colleagues have encountered.

[malvolio]

Nothing to do with skills and roles, all to do with risk management. They have to do a shedload of checks before taking anyone on, if you're already in banking they have a fair bet you won't fail them. Exactly the same idea as Security Clearance at the end of he day, and equally irritating.

[bobspud]

You are right, domain knowledge is definitely important and would be an advantage however the core BA techniques and skills required can still be applied to all sectors and domain knowledge can be learnt in the process. it just sickening that agents dont even consider looking at your CV even though you have BA experience in other sectors. Guess I need to take a daily rate cut and a more junior BA role to break in

Thats down to how you come across. I come from from a consultancy background. So although I have done work within many industries I can bury the less savory ones into the Consultancy name instead so it makes that crossover easier. However Government departments won't want me because I look like the type of predatory wolf that spends all day screwing them for change controls to get more cash. The problem you are going to suffer going from public to finance is that your industry sector does not have a great name for delivering on time or on budget so you are going to need to find a way to look successful before a bank will even consider you.
I went nuts moving from a private sector firm to a public sector work ethic where a BA could fail to collect any meaningful requirements for several months at a time without issues...

[Antman]

And therein lies the challenge, when was the last time you went out to buy something and came back with something very similar but not what you originally wanted? OK, not much difference between pepsi max and coke zero but they only cost 60p. A hiring manager looking to spend 50k over the next 6 months might be a bit more choosier.

In a boom it's easier to make the change as it's a seller's market, I don't know if anybody mentioned it but going to the dark side for a year is a good way of getting that knowledge.

[ifeanyi007]

I'd say that it would be harder if you are a BA as there is domain knowledge to take into account. As a developer this is not so important than for a BA who is talking directly to the business.

You are right, domain knowledge is definitely important and would be an advantage however the core BA techniques and skills required can still be applied to all sectors and domain knowledge can be learnt in the process. it just sickening that agents dont even consider looking at your CV even though you have BA experience in other sectors. Guess I need to take a daily rate cut and a more junior BA role to break in

[Antman]

I've never been sure about the idea that it's that hard to change sectors. I started in telecoms for 5 or more years, then on to a charity, then Govt contract, and then 2 years ago into the finance sector. Never once has the fact that I'd not worked in an industry before been an issue and the move into Finance has put me on my highest rate, which is the same as the rate I was on in the govt contract.

It sounds like a conversation with the agency is required to highlight the fact that as a BA you are doing the same stuff irrespective of which sector you are in.

I'd say that it would be harder if you are a BA as there is domain knowledge to take into account. As a developer this is not so important than for a BA who is talking directly to the business.

[rurffy]

thanks rurffy, that is an incredibly low rate way lower than what public sector organisations even pay how did you cope lol? but do you think it was worth it considering you lost alot of money during the 3 months I may as well just stick to public sector orgs.

Well it was kinda worth it, because after that gig i added in bold "BANKING" to my CV -

got my next gig in London (Hedge fund) with a sexy day rate. It also depends on how you communicate with these agencies ..

[NickNick]

I've never been sure about the idea that it's that hard to change sectors. I started in telecoms for 5 or more years, then on to a charity, then Govt contract, and then 2 years ago into the finance sector. Never once has the fact that I'd not worked in an industry before been an issue and the move into Finance has put me on my highest rate, which is the same as the rate I was on in the govt contract.

It sounds like a conversation with the agency is required to highlight the fact that as a BA you are doing the same stuff irrespective of which sector you are in.

[ifeanyi007]

The public sector is low paid?? Are you nucking futs? I saw an advert the other week for an Architecture role at the MOD for over £600 a day so that the candidate could sit on their arse and read bid tenders because the MOD never bother doing anything in house For the record I think the Public sector have done very well compared to the finance guys (many of whom have been replaced by Indian outsourcers) What you might want to try is doing some more research on rates

i have indeed done my research and as a BA (Business Analyst) rates in the public and third sector orgs (local authorities/charities) are low compared to investment banks, insurance firms and some retail banks.

[bobspud]

Would love to hear from the more experienced contractors. I have just under 3yrs experience working as contractor and over 5yrs experience working as a BA and have been working for both public and third sector organisations. As you may know public sector org. dont pay too well so am considering moving into the financial services sector but agencies i speak to keep refusing to put my name forward for gigs because of lack of experience in that sector, how do I convince them that i would still be able to deliver regardless of my lack of experience in the sector ?

The public sector is low paid?? Are you nucking futs? I saw an advert the other week for an Architecture role at the MOD for over £600 a day so that the candidate could sit on their arse and read bid tenders because the MOD never bother doing anything in house For the record I think the Public sector have done very well compared to the finance guys (many of whom have been replaced by Indian outsourcers) What you might want to try is doing some more research on rates

[ifeanyi007]

You would have to break into the financial sector first - Try to take a lower paying role just to break into the sector for 3 months or so .. then you will be fine. I was in same situation few years back... broke through when i got a role with RBS at an incredible stupid rate - £17.50/hr .

Nor cari las o ma chair!

thanks rurffy, that is an incredibly low rate way lower than what public sector organisations even pay how did you cope lol? but do you think it was worth it considering you lost alot of money during the 3 months I may as well just stick to public sector orgs.

[rurffy]

Would love to hear from the more experienced contractors. I have just under 3yrs experience working as contractor and over 5yrs experience working as a BA and have been working for both public and third sector organisations. As you may know public sector org. dont pay too well so am considering moving into the financial services sector but agencies i speak to keep refusing to put my name forward for gigs because of lack of experience in that sector, how do I convince them that i would still be able to deliver regardless of my lack of experience in the sector ?

You would have to break into the financial sector first - Try to take a lower paying role just to break into the sector for 3 months or so .. then you will be fine. I was in same situation few years back... broke through when i got a role with RBS at an incredible stupid rate - £17.50/hr .

Nor cari las o ma chair!

[ifeanyi007]

Would love to hear from the more experienced contractors. I have just under 3yrs experience working as contractor and over 5yrs experience working as a BA and have been working for both public and third sector organisations. As you may know public sector org. dont pay too well so am considering moving into the financial services sector but agencies i speak to keep refusing to put my name forward for gigs because of lack of experience in that sector, how do I convince them that i would still be able to deliver regardless of my lack of experience in the sector ?