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Previously on "Silence after interview"

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  • curtis
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    Yes be very careful if the agent does ring you after the interview for feedback on how much you give away as like someone said its all extra info they can pass onto the next person before they go in which might given them the advantage.

    I am always positive but quite vague and another reason for this is I don't want to sound too keen for if I want to negotiate if I get it.
    Last edited by curtis; 15 August 2013, 10:36. Reason: .

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  • flipFlop
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    Originally posted by rob s View Post
    Is it just me or does anyone else get really annoyed when you lose money going to an interview and the agency refuses to chase the client for a response?

    /whinge
    Do you mean "Is it just I" rather than "Is it just me"? If the former then I would respond:

    Clients, I find, generally have an eighth to a tenth of my experience and are not capable of judging the skills in the candidate that they think that they are looking for. So their feedback is nugatory and I don't get annoyed.

    Agents won't spend their time "chasing" a client that has rejected the original poster because they don't operate within the original poster's realm of morality. More specifically the agents' position is, "If you've not got the gig, F*** off."

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  • GB9
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    Yeah, its impolite, lazy, and makes you feel tulipe waiting for a day or 2, but if you don't hear from them, it means they don't want you.

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  • psychocandy
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    Not sure I'm that bothered about feedback. As pointed out, its a bit of a mindfield for the client and they may have they're own reasons for not selecting you.

    What I hate is:-

    Day 1 - pimp won't return your calls - hmmm. 50% sure aint got it.
    Day 2 - Still no call - 75% sure.
    Day 3 - Still no call - 90% sure.
    Day 4 - Still no call - 100% sure.

    Just call me on day 1 and put me out of my misery. Thats all. If I don't get the gig then fair enough but lets draw a line under it.

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
    Ah right, yes that makes sense.
    The trick is not to overdo it. If they're looking for a pragmatic PM who will roll up his sleeves, cut corners and just get things done, I find something like this works:

    'It went pretty well. I think they're looking for a PM who is an absolute stickler for rigid implementation of waterfall methodologies in a PRINCE2 framework. And the interviewer looks hard as nails but he's a dedicated Atomic Kitten fan.'

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  • MyUserName
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    Originally posted by eek View Post
    He's not me. I just can easily recognise how such a screw up could occur
    Fair enough.

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  • MyUserName
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    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
    This is before I know whether I've got the gig. The pimp calls you after interview to see how it's gone and in reality to give the next candidate in an unfair advantage over you on the back of your info. Unfortunately, I get things muddled up and accidentally tell them the wrong thing.
    Ah right, yes that makes sense.

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
    Oh, sorry - the way Old Greg wrote his post it made me think he/you meant accidental as in 'accidental' rather than it actually being an accident.
    I have the accurate response ready, but then it accidentally falls down the stairs every time.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
    Oh, sorry - the way Old Greg wrote his post it made me think he/you meant accidental as in 'accidental' rather than it actually being an accident.
    He's not me. I just can easily recognise how such a screw up could occur

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
    Why? That seems quite a nasty trick to pull. It is not the next candidate's fault that you did not get the gig, why try to jeopodise things for them?
    This is before I know whether I've got the gig. The pimp calls you after interview to see how it's gone and in reality to give the next candidate in an unfair advantage over you on the back of your info. Unfortunately, I get things muddled up and accidentally tell them the wrong thing.

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  • MyUserName
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    Originally posted by eek View Post
    1) it was not intentional but accidental.

    And if you've interviewed 6 people in a day and someone asks you later how did x do its very easy to think back to the wrong person.
    Oh, sorry - the way Old Greg wrote his post it made me think he/you meant accidental as in 'accidental' rather than it actually being an accident.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by MyUserName View Post
    Why? That seems quite a nasty trick to pull. It is not the next candidate's fault that you did not get the gig, why try to jeopodise things for them?
    1) it was not intentional but accidental.

    And if you've interviewed 6 people in a day and someone asks you later how did x do its very easy to think back to the wrong person.

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  • MyUserName
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    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
    More than once I have accidentally given the agent the wrong feedback, which if passed onto another candidate could lead to them exhibiting the wrong behaviours or emphasising the wrong skills.
    Why? That seems quite a nasty trick to pull. It is not the next candidate's fault that you did not get the gig, why try to jeopodise things for them?

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  • jmo21
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    Originally posted by Sausage Surprise View Post
    The feedback I've had in the past always seems to me like they've mixed me up with someone else. Just random buzzwords/phrases and platitudes.

    I'm really not bothered about feedback now.
    This.

    Originally posted by original PM View Post
    no feedback because then the interviewee cannot come back with claims of discrimination

    so it's easier to say nothing

    sad but true
    and this!

    One of these scenario's is likely to be true as well:

    - you're not good enough - the client is annoyed at having had to deal with you/thinks you're a liar, and is no mood to provide anything useful to the agent.
    - you're too expensive - maybe the client, having got someone he likes for £50/day cheaper now thinks you're a chancer, a greedy contractor in it for the money (well, of course we are, but clients hate that)
    - with all tech skills level, they chose the guy/girl they liked personality-wise better - what feedback can you get that will change that? even if the client does explain EXACTLY why they preferred someone else, will the agent feel comfortable saying "you were a bit grumpy sounding" or whatever nebulous reason someone chose to not choose you. Where is the incentive for the agent to more than likely annoy you with something like that.

    Remember, it isn't the agents or clients job (even with a permie role for that matter) to give you feedback.
    Last edited by jmo21; 14 August 2013, 12:29.

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  • Old Greg
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    Originally posted by tranceporter View Post
    Lol. What they will definitely do, is call the next candidate, and tell him about the feedback received from you after the interview, and warn him about the pitfalls/potential questions. Anything to ensure that the next candidate lands the gig and makes money for them. Or the next one after him
    More than once I have accidentally given the agent the wrong feedback, which if passed onto another candidate could lead to them exhibiting the wrong behaviours or emphasising the wrong skills.

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