The end of public sector contracting?

[Scoobos]

They are allowed to do it under the DPA so long as the location where the data is held complies with the DPA standards. And of course, the data holder confirms this will be the case. Wont they?

Ok, I'm once again spouting just off my gut feeling , but having worked with UK citizen data before and having a similar issue (US companies involved then though) - we were always controlled by a set of directives regarding UK citizen data staying in its DPA zones.

I know with the N3 network for example, that its that tight that English patient data can't even leave England.

I'll need to dig out my docos, and you know what I really think I'm taking this to my MP (he's so sick of me) - something doesnt seem right here.

Names addresses and phone numbers are all on that ... I'm pretty sure you have to give consent to that .

[swamp]

TBH, I can see this as just an excuse to ship in more bob's and outsource to India. At a stroke, their 'problem' of contractors not paying tax is solve. Only even more money will be donated to the Tory party in the end!

EFA

[BolshieBastard]

But I think that's what the politicians don't like. They think that such contracts should be written in such a fashion that it makes it absolutely clear that IR35 should be applied - such that to fail to apply IR35 would probably push you in the direction of evasion rather than avoidance.

And if they want to do this - then so be it. They run the departments. If they want to issue an edict that they will only engage contracts in a clear IR35 caught basis - that's fine. The problem is that they don't want to deal with the fallout of that - either a need to increase the headline rate, or face losing key resources if they refuse.

Well, the article suggests than Government Departments can still take on contractors but, they can only be 'employed' for 6 months then must be offered permanent terms.

TBH, I can see this as just an excuse to ship in more bob's and outsource to India. At a stroke, their 'problem' of contractors not paying tax is solve. Only even more money will be lost to the exchequer in the end!

[BolshieBastard]

Holy tulip that link to tech world is awful, that's totally unacceptable in fact - how the hell doesn't the data protection act cover this?

They are allowed to do it under the DPA so long as the location where the data is held complies with the DPA standards. And of course, the data holder confirms this will be the case. Wont they?

[centurian]

Actually this is a total non story every contract I have seen from the big government departments have been so well written to not get hung up on IR35 its a wonder any one has any trouble...

But I think that's what the politicians don't like. They think that such contracts should be written in such a fashion that it makes it absolutely clear that IR35 should be applied - such that to fail to apply IR35 would probably push you in the direction of evasion rather than avoidance.

And if they want to do this - then so be it. They run the departments. If they want to issue an edict that they will only engage contracts in a clear IR35 caught basis - that's fine. The problem is that they don't want to deal with the fallout of that - either a need to increase the headline rate, or face losing key resources if they refuse.

[Scoobos]

Holy tulip that link to tech world is awful, that's totally unacceptable in fact - how the hell doesn't the data protection act cover this?

[BolshieBastard]

Is this not more likely to be the beginning of the end?

Government Agrees To Indian Move For British Driver Data | TechWeekEurope UK

Last one left, turn off the light.

That's a ******* disgrace.

[oracleslave]

Is this not more likely to be the beginning of the end?

Government Agrees To Indian Move For British Driver Data | TechWeekEurope UK

Last one left, turn off the light.

[BolshieBastard]

Actually this is a total non story every contract I have seen from the big government departments have been so well written to not get hung up on IR35 its a wonder any one has any trouble...

for instance

Clear deliverables
Clear requirements for the contractor to provide their own tools
Clear Financial risk
Etc...

wish the rest of the industry was so well written...

Really?

Try that on an HMRC contract!

[bobspud]

Actually this is a total non story every contract I have seen from the big government departments have been so well written to not get hung up on IR35 its a wonder any one has any trouble...

for instance

Clear deliverables
Clear requirements for the contractor to provide their own tools
Clear Financial risk
Etc...

wish the rest of the industry was so well written...

[Scoobos]

The best part of that article is this comment in the comments section:

"As Danny Alexander's chin disappears he becomes more and more like Beaker in the muppets."

So true!

[Bunk]

What a bunch of utter clowns. I find it hard to believe that figure of 2000 people as well. Wait until they realise how many this actually affects and watch as they backtrack like a ref in a Man U game.

[cojak]

Or at least the end of contracting tax efficiently in the public sector??

Two thousand 'off payroll' senior civil servants forced to prove they are not tax dodgers - Telegraph

Yeah, just like the ban on hiring contractors in 2010

[BrandNewCUKUser]

Or at least the end of contracting tax efficiently in the public sector??

Two thousand 'off payroll' senior civil servants forced to prove they are not tax dodgers - Telegraph