Timesheet query

[SueEllen]

Sorry for being pedantic, but your contract is with the agency to work on a project at Client A. If you get associated with different project, different legal entity which is not on your contract, does it not affect your IR35 status? Essentially this would mean that you are being shifted on different projects as and when required, without any control from your side.

You can either ask for your contract to be amended, or ask for more £££ to mitigate the risk.

HTH.
Dave.

Read the first post again - it's not an IR35 risk. Perplexed is saying that the contract given to him by the agency is wrong.

This is because companies A, B and C are in a consortium to supply services for the same project to the client. So as far as the client is concerned the project is being done by the consortium as one entity.

If he is suppose to complete timesheets to each member of the consortium (or just 3 different timesheets) then it should have been put in his contract. He basically wants to know the best way of dealing with the fact he can't be bothered to complete 3 different timesheets because companies A, B and C have a communication problem where they haven't worked out how to use the same timesheet.

[NotAllThere]

I fill in an electronic timesheet and two paper based timesheets. One for my agency, the others for the projects offices. (two distinct projects). As I'm paid while filling them, I really couldn't care less. Why are you fussed?

[rd409]

Hi all, Merry <Insert festival of choice>.

I've an issue I've not encountered before, so thought I'd get the advice of the wise.

I'm a few months into a contract, the chain of companies looks like this.

MyLtdCo -> Agency -> Company A -> Consortium of companies A, B and C.

My timesheets are entered online at the Agency portal; need to be approved by the PM who is an employee of Company A. The work is on a site where the project work is for the consortium, feeding into a few other projects.

Company A are now insisting that I need to use timesheet systems for not only the Agency but ALSO for Company A and Company B due to the structure of the consortium.

The contract through the Agency states that I am providing services to Company A. The consortium, companies B and C are not mentioned anywhere, nor IMO should they be.

As a result, what are people's thoughts - am I within my rights to refuse to use a timesheet system for a company that I have no contractual obligation to? Company A are certainly aware of my hours - a representative approves them, after all. I've mailed someone within Company A the days I've been working, am happy continue that if they want to enter those hours to enable their billing.

When I've been in a similar chain before, I've never had to do this.

TL;DR version.

A client are insisting I use a timesheet system for another company, I'm uncertain as to the necessity to do so.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the Agency were not informed of this prior to the contract starting.

Sorry for being pedantic, but your contract is with the agency to work on a project at Client A. If you get associated with different project, different legal entity which is not on your contract, does it not affect your IR35 status? Essentially this would mean that you are being shifted on different projects as and when required, without any control from your side.

You can either ask for your contract to be amended, or ask for more £££ to mitigate the risk.

HTH.
Dave.

[tractor]

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As long as the admin is done in paid time, what is the issue. It may seem to be a waste of time but hey ho, keep on billing.

Just repeat after me, 'day rate, day rate....'

[pmeswani]

To be honest, I would fill in the Agent's Timesheet and the Client A's timesheet and leave it at that. However, I would not see there being a major showstopper in filling in Client B's timesheet, if it didn't take more than a few minutes to fill in. But that's just me.

[ASB]

It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

When my dept uses contractors they are required to complete timesheets. This is for project costing, management reporting etc.

Don't care what else they fill in and for whom. The contract with the supplier states this. It doesn't matter to me whether they are contracted to the supplier directly or indirectly.

[perplexed]

It's not a balls up.

You should not be obliged to complete loads of timesheets anyone with commonsense could see that. The most you should do if you feel kind is email a copy to the various companies.

Meant the project was a ballsup.

Of course common sense would mean it would be pretty stupid to do 3 timesheets. However, we're talking about IT, and the companies in the "consortium"... well, nuff said.

[SueEllen]

Did have a veiled "may get rid of you" comment from a PM the other day. Not that bothered, one of the companies involved have provided grads - one on his first assignment who is utterly clueless about the language we're coding in. Would be a relief to leave if it happened.

I've been mailing a copy of the days worked to a contact at company A. I'll continue that in the meantime. She did point out the reason for it was to "make it easier for them to bill their client". Which of course is irrelevant to me.

I suspect this wasn't in the contact due to the mighty ballsup that this project is not knowing what the other hand is doing, tbh.

It's not a balls up.

You should not be obliged to complete loads of timesheets anyone with commonsense could see that. The most you should do if you feel kind is email a copy to the various companies.

[perplexed]

Then try 2 and if it doesn't work refuse.

Did have a veiled "may get rid of you" comment from a PM the other day. Not that bothered, one of the companies involved have provided grads - one on his first assignment who is utterly clueless about the language we're coding in. Would be a relief to leave if it happened.

I've been mailing a copy of the days worked to a contact at company A. I'll continue that in the meantime. She did point out the reason for it was to "make it easier for them to bill their client". Which of course is irrelevant to me.

I suspect this wasn't in the contact due to the mighty ballsup that this project is not knowing what the other hand is doing, tbh.

[SueEllen]

Says nothing in the contract - as the company whose system I've been requested to use does not appear in the contract.

Then try 2 and if it doesn't work refuse.

[perplexed]

What does it say in your contract?

If it says nothing then you have three choices:
1. Tell them to politely foxtrot oscar,
2. Get them to agreed to all accept one timesheet, OR
3. Do as they say

When I was placed in situation where different people (including in the same bl**dy company) wanted a different timesheet I managed to get them to agree to 2.

Says nothing in the contract - as the company whose system I've been requested to use does not appear in the contract.

[SueEllen]

What does it say in your contract?

If it says nothing then you have three choices:
1. Tell them to politely foxtrot oscar,
2. Get them to agreed to all accept one timesheet, OR
3. Do as they say

When I was placed in situation where different people (including in the same bl**dy company) wanted a different timesheet I managed to get them to agree to 2.

[perplexed]

Hi all, Merry <Insert festival of choice>.

I've an issue I've not encountered before, so thought I'd get the advice of the wise.

I'm a few months into a contract, the chain of companies looks like this.

MyLtdCo -> Agency -> Company A -> Consortium of companies A, B and C.

My timesheets are entered online at the Agency portal; need to be approved by the PM who is an employee of Company A. The work is on a site where the project work is for the consortium, feeding into a few other projects.

Company A are now insisting that I need to use timesheet systems for not only the Agency but ALSO for Company A and Company B due to the structure of the consortium.

The contract through the Agency states that I am providing services to Company A. The consortium, companies B and C are not mentioned anywhere, nor IMO should they be.

As a result, what are people's thoughts - am I within my rights to refuse to use a timesheet system for a company that I have no contractual obligation to? Company A are certainly aware of my hours - a representative approves them, after all. I've mailed someone within Company A the days I've been working, am happy continue that if they want to enter those hours to enable their billing.

When I've been in a similar chain before, I've never had to do this.

TL;DR version.

A client are insisting I use a timesheet system for another company, I'm uncertain as to the necessity to do so.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the Agency were not informed of this prior to the contract starting.