Reply to: Sloppy interview process

[nomadd]

...in the midst of vacuous insults?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Over and out.

[117MilesToGo]

Aw, you ran out of 'clever' come-backs. Let's end it, since we're now firmly in the wrong forum, unless you actually want to share your decades of experience rather than boast about it in the midst of vacuous insults?

Don't worry dhoog. Im on your side!

(whether thats a good or bad thing is up for debate)

[d000hg]

Aw, you ran out of 'clever' come-backs. Let's end it, since we're now firmly in the wrong forum, unless you actually want to share your decades of experience rather than boast about it in the midst of vacuous insults?

[nomadd]

Sorry.. [SNIP - even more childish ranting]

Nope, still crying.

Now, where did I leave the dummy..?

[Congrgatio]

Frustrating as it is, this happens more and more these days.

Depending on the organisation / company, they may be going through a ghosting process of appears to put out to contract when they already have someone in mind. Certain industries / markets have to allow competition for certain roles, so they play the game at your expense. It’s one of the downfalls of running your own company / going for interviews. If you are a ltd or use an umbrella you could claim some of the lost fees back.

It could be that the job vacancy disappeared due to budget changes? Maybe they didn’t want to lose face (annoyingly, this also happens).

Or as someone mentioned they may have been intimidated. The guy running the interview sounded very unprofessional; maybe he was also incompetent and didn't fancy being usurped by someone who knows what they are doing.

Could be a million possibilities but the bottom line is that you will have to allow for these loses, it’s the nature of the beast

[d000hg]

24 hours later...

Baby d000hg is still crying. On an Internet forum. Seeking attention. But no-one is listening. Diddums.

Come on, d000hg, let Uncle Nomadd buy you a lollipop. There, isn't that better? Now, dry your eyes.

EDIT: Will try Ice Cream or a new dummy if the lollipop doesn't work.

Sorry I didn't reply to your amazing reply within minutes of you writing it.

As I expected, you refuse to discuss the facts, preferring to get into personal attacks. I don't see any crying here.
I'll take that as meaning you're unable to justify your 20 - year old methods which is unsurprising.
You're decades out of date, dinosaurs really do walk the earth it seems. Nevermind "Uncle", I think "Grandad" is a better term - old, behind the times and set in their ways...

[Scary]

Blimey, thought I was back in General for a moment there...

[GillsMan]

24 hours later...

Baby d000hg is still crying. On an Internet forum. Seeking attention. But no-one is listening. Diddums.

Come on, d000hg, let Uncle Nomadd by you a lollipop. There, isn't that better? Now, dry your eyes.

Brilliant response. Would read again.

[nomadd]

Missed this [SNIPPED - more childish ranting.]

24 hours later...

Baby d000hg is still crying. On an Internet forum. Seeking attention. But no-one is listening. Diddums.

Come on, d000hg, let Uncle Nomadd buy you a lollipop. There, isn't that better? Now, dry your eyes.

EDIT: Will try Ice Cream or a new dummy if the lollipop doesn't work.

[d000hg]

Missed this gem...

I've been interviewing and recruiting both contract and permanent staff on behalf of my clients for almost all the 22 years I've been contracting: I've never made a mistake in my selection yet.
...
See you at your next interview. Or maybe I'll make an exception in your case and give you a test? I know you'd throw a tantrum if it was missing...

Sorry, anyone who seriously believes they never made a mistake is absolutely deluded and almost certainly an arrogant toss-pot of a man. Oh, wait - that absolutely ties in with the rest of your condescending, belittling tone. Is that how you treat people you have authority over too? In which case, I'd rather work for AtW. Maybe you mean you interview people based on their ability to brown-nose you and make you feel big and important. In which case perhaps you really have hired the right people all those years.

Anyway I'll let you think up your petulant outburst witty yet fact-based response. I can hardly wait.

[d000hg]

When was the last time you interviewed yourself? It's not about MY ability to interview people, but the ability of the people interviewing candidates. If they ask detailed searching questions to interviewees, they ARE doing a technical test, you chump. If they ask you to sketch out verbally how they might approach a problem, the same.

Quite aside from the fact you haven't addressed why it makes sense to technically test permies but not contractors, I remind you of my assertion that it's easy to blag a technology you have no experience with.

Or would actually talking facts stretch you too far from your comfort zone of insulting people? Your post attacks points irrelevant to the initial issue in an attempt to pamper your ego at (in your mind) crushing your opponent.

Speaking of childish, insulting the other person in order to make them look silly so that you can evade the actual question by saying "clearly you're so stupid I see no point discussing with you" is the lowest form of debating tactic.

Alternatively we'll let it rest. You continue thinking you're great because you can trick companies into hiring you based on your 'honest word' that you're great. I'll continue waiting for your work to show up on TheDailyWTF, if it didn't already.

[nomadd]

That's a load of balls. It's easy to blag skills with a technology without ever having used it. You can do a code test verbally or during the interview but if you're not asking detailed questions you're not testing anything.

There's no difference asking someone to show they can do the job as a permie/contractor - if anything you want to be more stringent with a contractor since they cost more and are expected to get up to speed faster.

If you'd engage a company with no proof of competence more fool you. In other areas you'd ask people to show a portfolio, but this is rarely possible as a developer/architect.

You sound like the kind who give contractors a bad name. Polished answers to make yourself sound great, then just sit about billing and get out onto the next gig.

Ah, d000hg, you never fail to impress me with the utter childishness of your responses. Such a shame we have to suffer so many of them...

I'm sorry, but if you don't have the skills to interview someone correctly, then that's simply down to your lack of talent and knowledge. I've been interviewing and recruiting both contract and permanent staff on behalf of my clients for almost all the 22 years I've been contracting: I've never made a mistake in my selection yet. That's all without the need to resort to contrived tests in the hope that they'll make up for a lack of interviewing skills...

Please, for your own sake, in future don't make such a fool of yourself with replies of: "You sound like the kind who give contractors a bad name." Come on, if you want to have a childish rant on the Internet because you've lost an argument, at least come up with something, anything more original. Oh, and try to at least get the English right.

See you at your next interview. Or maybe I'll make an exception in your case and give you a test? I know you'd throw a tantrum if it was missing...

Cheers for the laugh.

[d000hg]

That's a load of balls. It's easy to blag skills with a technology without ever having used it. You can do a code test verbally or during the interview but if you're not asking detailed questions you're not testing anything.

There's no difference asking someone to show they can do the job as a permie/contractor - if anything you want to be more stringent with a contractor since they cost more and are expected to get up to speed faster.

If you'd engage a company with no proof of competence more fool you. In other areas you'd ask people to show a portfolio, but this is rarely possible as a developer/architect.

You sound like the kind who give contractors a bad name. Polished answers to make yourself sound great, then just sit about billing and get out onto the next gig.

[nomadd]

How dare they want to test the competency of someone charging 2X as much as their highest paid people, This Is An Outrage.

Spoken just like an Agent. Or a permie. Just love these fictitious 2X figures. I always though it was 4X?

You assess competency by a proper interview process, not some contrived tests, which only a complete pillock would agree to do at their own time and expense. Still, not for me to tell you how to run your own business... You carry on doing these 'tests', as you seem to think it's the clients right. I'll just keep winning contracts the old-fashioned way, with persuasive, intelligent discussion - which I'm sure you consider An Outrage!

[d000hg]

More fool you.

Still, thanks for designing and coding our new system for us. For free. We might get back in touch with you for a second set of 'tests' if our Bob's gets stuck in supporting it.

How dare they want to test the competency of someone charging 2X as much as their highest paid people, This Is An Outrage.

Yeah, its their job to show they are interested. Not to show up like they just got out of bed.

Sure. If you're applying for a permie role.

Could be, or maybe his boss wanted him to do something and his had palmed him off by saying he was too busy. The last thing he wants is a skilled contractor showing him up.

Maybe he just wanted to be doing some real work