Reply to: Orange - T-Mobile UK merger..Impact on contrcat jobs..?

[Brussels Slumdog]

Long term better

Mergers and acquisitions are good news for contractors, loads of systems to be merged, it means lucrative contracts that goes on for several years!!

But yeh not good for permies.

The feedback that I have received from contractors working for
Merged or acquired companies is that all projects are put on hold until after
the merger.

Imagine that you are on a CRM project for Orange which is due to go live in 2010. The project would then be put on hold until after the merger so
your contract would then be terminated. ie LOSS OF Contracting work.
Maybe you

After the Merger there should be a GAIN of Contracting work related to the merger.
Maybe not you

[Darren_Test]

Based on feedback I just changed Icon from to as it might be a good news for contractors at least short term...

[BrilloPad]

Been with T-Mobile for the last 3 years, never had problem with the network.

I have had problems at clientco. Seems t-mobile occasionally loses a transmittor or repeater or something.

Though it was fun recently when vodafone lost the clientco repeater as its what they use for the official crackberrys here.

[norrahe]

T-Systems just look after the desktop and the server infrastructure.

Although T-Systems do a lot of SI work in the other T-Mobile countries, they do very little, if any in the UK.

I don't believe T-Mobile have a single outsourcer for IT projects, it varies from project to project.

A friend of mine worked for T-systems (in the UK) and it looks like they are keen to move it out to elsewhere (Poland) or offshore it completely.

This may be the excuse they are looking for....

[MonzaMike]

T-Mobile use T-Systems as their (out)sourcer - same company different division.

T-Systems just look after the desktop and the server infrastructure.

Although T-Systems do a lot of SI work in the other T-Mobile countries, they do very little, if any in the UK.

I don't believe T-Mobile have a single outsourcer for IT projects, it varies from project to project.

[Tingles]

Who is principal outsourcer for these companies..?
I know Orange work with companies like Torry Harris (THBS) & Caritor (Keane)...Not sure how extensive is outsourcer's involvement..? May not be as extensive as Vodafone - EDS I believe..

Never heard abt outsourcer with T-Mobile...?
Any one got information on this..?? How extensive is outsourcer's involvement..?

T-Mobile use T-Systems as their (out)sourcer - same company different division.

[jmo21]

Using T-Mobile network..?? Even its free I will not as its so bad except major Towns..Sure merger will be great relief for poor T-Mobile customers, suffering from bad network all these years, if it decide to share network with Orange..

fixed that for you!

[SantaClaus]

T-Mobile have become very uncompetitive recently, probably because they were looking to cut costs before they were bought out.

I recently closed my T-Mobile account after 15 years of customer loyalty and moved over to a much better package on Vodafone.

[norrahe]

Been with T-Mobile for the last 3 years, never had problem with the network.

lucky you

supposedly good network where I live, absolute b*ll*ck$, not fun when working from home

[zamzummim]

Using T-Mobile network..?? Even its free I will not as its so bad except major Towns..Sure merger will be great relief for poor T-Mobile customers, suffering from bad network all these years, if it decide to share network with Orange..

Been with T-Mobile for the last 3 years, never had problem with the network.

[Darren_Test]

I get half priced phone bill from T-Moile (the firends and family deal) wonder if I should go and upgrade now wonder if they'll scrap the deal

Using T-Mobile network..?? Even its free I will not as its so bad except major Towns..Sure merger will be great relief for poor T-Mobile customers, suffering from bad network all these years, if it decide to share network with Orange..

[zamzummim]

I get half priced phone bill from T-Moile (the firends and family deal) wonder if I should go and upgrade now wonder if they'll scrap the deal

[KpMrJ]

Hot Topic

Mergers and acquisitions are good news for contractors, loads of systems to be merged, it means lucrative contracts that goes on for several years!!

But yeh not good for permies.

Hot topic around the campus this morning, plenty of broken french being practised

It'll take a good few years of 'merging' & 'collaboration' before the affects are felt by us contractors on site.
How it'll all come together will be one BIG head-ache with so many parties 'involved' particularly the ran deal with MBNL ( 3/TMo ran share ) & the new core network swap currently in play. So in the short-term the good guys on-site will be around for a few years yet, but the permies are all of a 'dither' about the the long-term future.

[the_duderama]

Who is principal outsourcer for these companies..?
I know T-Mobile works with companies like Torry Harris (THBS) & Caritor (Keane)...Not sure how extensive is outsourcer's involvement..? May not be as extensive as Vodafone - EDS I believe..

Never heard abt outsourcer with T-Mobile...?
Any one got information on this..?? How extensive is outsourcer's involvement..?

Orange use EDS to do their infrastructure stuff, desktop/network etc, acording to friend of mine who is a permie there, not sure about the software side of things. They outsourced it a couple of years ago to try and save the cash monies. It's all about the cash monies.

[Darren_Test]

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Yes..thanks..