Reply to: Sold my soul to the devil

[realityhack]

I think you a troll.

I am quite confident you are, and always have been, a permie. You're just winding us up.

He's either a troll or a fool - or perhaps very green eared.

Don't ever let a permie 'manager' push you around - he sounds like he's taking the piss. If it's too late and you've gone permie already - then I'd use this job as a stepping stone to get elsewhere. If you haven't taken the plunge yet, don't - this doesn't sound like a healthy position to be in. Find another contract and think like a business this time.

Btw - I hope you're not running a ltd with terms like that from the client - you're in permatemp ir35 land there.

[NotAllThere]

I leave early, if the client doesnt like it, they can talk to my company. I am quietly confident I know that my company would support me and get me loking for a new contract if needed.

Quite right. And that's how I would handle it too. But at the time I was a permie. One time, while out have a few beers with the IT director, he asked me what hours I was working. I told him and he said "you owe me half an hour a day". I just looked him in the eye and said "Is there a problem with my productivity?". "No." The subject was never raised again.

[MickeyP]

On my current contract I'm hot desking with a number of other contractors.

Theres a definite "snooze and lose" policy when it comes to getting a desk, come in late and you'll find yourself working at a desk in the stock cupboard.

Same for me. Arrive anytime after 8:30am and you're in an overcrowded sweat box with no natural light whatsover.

[BrowneIssue]

Southern mentality.

My current client is also in Bradford. If I get in at 7:30 I'm just about the last in (expect comments like "have you had a lie in" etc) by 4:30 the office is mostly empty.

Ditto. Did a 1 year stint in Leeds and saw the same. I got in at 10:00 and my boss would be eating his lunch. He would frequently have meetings scheduled from 6 a.m. onwards.

[Spacecadet]

Don't come in early and leave early, it's far better to come in late and leave late.

On my current contract I'm hot desking with a number of other contractors.

Theres a definite "snooze and lose" policy when it comes to getting a desk, come in late and you'll find yourself working at a desk in the stock cupboard.

[tay]

I leave early, if the client doesnt like it, they can talk to my company. I am quietly confident I know that my company would support me and get me loking for a new contract if needed.

As for the OP.. I am super shocked he went permie... who ever saw that one coming!!

I never once thought he would be manipulated and bettered by his permie manager....

[oracleslave]

Didn't spot the double entendre there...

[NotAllThere]

Agreed.

Didn't spot the double entendre there...

[wantacontract]

knew ol wilmslow would go permie......

[Archangel]

Don't come in early and leave early, it's far better to come in late and leave late.

Southern mentality.

My current client is also in Bradford. If I get in at 7:30 I'm just about the last in (expect comments like "have you had a lie in" etc) by 4:30 the office is mostly empty.

[oracleslave]

Don't come early, it's far better to come late.

Agreed.

[NotAllThere]

I used to commute from Brentwood to Stockley Park - that's 180° around the M25. I did this for 2 years as a permie - with a company car + fuel card. Initially, I'd come in for 7:30 and leave at 4:00 , to avoid the worst of the traffic. I gave up on this, as I was perceived as "leaving early". So I switched to coming for 10 and leaving at 6. The mathematically unchallenged amongst you will realise this meant I was working 30 mins less each day... and I was perceived as a hard worker, always putting the hours in...

Don't come in early and leave early, it's far better to come in late and leave late.

[sathyaram_s]

Professional day contract, wanting to be professional to the client, and local politics.

If you cannot do 0730 - 1530 as a contractor, it is difficult to do this as a permie.If you experience politics even as a contractor, what chance do you have as a permie?

If I am working later than 3:30 it has been agreed that I will stay on to 6 to wait for the traffic to clear up, then go home, and not leave home until 9am the next day, getting back for around 10:30 to make up.

You will be branded inflexible and your appraisal rating will suffer.

[lukemg]

You are fooked Wilmslow. It's bleeding miles away and the only way this works is on a decent contract rate with an end-date, when you can justify things to yourself, even if the end-date gets extended.
When you hit the permie role, start doing appraisals, having to salute the flag, tow company line, this job will grind you down, forget the 'interesting project' stuff, it's a myth !
Water flows by the easiest route, which is why it is easier to take the 'bird in the hand'. I hope I am wrong and it all turns our great, my advice is spend the next 3 months furiously looking for another contract nearer to home or at least at a better rate. Then at least you will know you don't have any other options when you settle for this one.

[Wilmslow]

Why aren't you working those hours now? you're supposed to be a contractor

Professional day contract, wanting to be professional to the client, and local politics.

I arrive at 7:30am most days, but stay over twice a week due to Bradford having terrible traffic even at 4:14pm.

Can only leave at 3:30 as a permie.

If I am working later than 3:30 it has been agreed that I will stay on to 6 to wait for the traffic to clear up, then go home, and not leave home until 9am the next day, getting back for around 10:30 to make up.

Yes, potty, but means client happy, so I am happy.