Reply to: Prince2 -Info Required

[Muttley08]

Agree with Malvolio et al

Good for pimps trying to filter - gets you past them.

On the job in reality, experience and nouse counts.

Where I'm working at the moment has an awful lot of paper shuffling, spreadsheet filling PM's supplied via a consultancy who are awful at delivering and actually talking to and motivating teams to deliver.

[Sockpuppet]

Neither, from my perspective, is the Practitioner, TBH. I'd rather have people who have delivered real-world projects than people who have done a week's training!

But it is valuable knowledge and the certs are always a good way to move you up the in-tray, all else being equal.

PRINCE2 for some roles is like a degree to others. Gets you past that "must have prince2 filter".

Most of my clients have asked me what PRINCE2 is

[fridge]

Neither, from my perspective, is the Practitioner, TBH. I'd rather have people who have delivered real-world projects than people who have done a week's training!

But it is valuable knowledge and the certs are always a good way to move you up the in-tray, all else being equal.

Real time training on PRINCE and actual real time working experience is what counts. Just doing the course on its own is not enough.

[Dean]

They're changing the format of the Practitioner exam. There are no longer three essay type questions. Now, just as the foundation is, the Practitioner will be in entirely multiple choice format.

P

Gah! I blame the government - they've devalued GCSE and A-levels so that everybody can have a hatful, now they're doing the same to Prince!



Where'd I leave my copy of the Daily Mail?

[malvolio]

Crumbs Malvolio, I would rather work alongside ppl who at least understand the principles, so many half-baked PMs out there who know nothing about structure or pbp, and they are a nightmare.

IMO any monkey can drag something over the line, only a trained monkey can do it on time on budget and get something close to what was needed in the first place.

Not what I said. Clearly you have to know the governance, risk and process management stuff, which is what I would test at the interview stage. But I have also worked alongside people with Prince2 and ITIL Managers who couldn't deliver a wet head in a rainstorm. As far as the end client is concerned, it is delivery that matters, not how elegantly you do it - although as a PM I would much prefer calm elegance to controlled panic, I'll settle for on time, on spec and to budget.

Incidentally I have never taken a Prince2 exam, and learned such PM skills as I posess in the early 80s with ICL when it was still PRINCE. So perhaps I am a little blasé about the value of paper qualifications in the real world!

[poser]

Mave Training I did mine with, great tuition they supply all materials, definately worth doing the prep reading though as this will give you a good insight. When I did mine a few ppl didnt bother doing the pre reading and held up class.

Do not be fooled by the new practitioner exam its not meant to be easier than the essay exam just a different format. Main thing for practitioner exam is to have your text book labelled up correctly - ask examiner.

[Lucy]

Neither, from my perspective, is the Practitioner, TBH. I'd rather have people who have delivered real-world projects than people who have done a week's training!

But it is valuable knowledge and the certs are always a good way to move you up the in-tray, all else being equal.

Crumbs Malvolio, I would rather work alongside ppl who at least understand the principles, so many half-baked PMs out there who know nothing about structure or pbp, and they are a nightmare.

IMO any monkey can drag something over the line, only a trained monkey can do it on time on budget and get something close to what was needed in the first place.

[boxman]

Great thanks for the info Peter

[Peter Loew]

Hi Peter

I don't suppose you know when this change of format is due to start do you?


thanks

Rob

Think it's end of this month, though some are saying it's already happened. More info here: http://www.prince2.org.uk/nmsruntime...D=1142&sID=365

[boxman]

They're changing the format of the Practitioner exam. There are no longer three essay type questions. Now, just as the foundation is, the Practitioner will be in entirely multiple choice format.

P

Hi Peter

I don't suppose you know when this change of format is due to start do you?


thanks

Rob

[Ravello]

Neither, from my perspective, is the Practitioner, TBH. I'd rather have people who have delivered real-world projects than people who have done a week's training!

But it is valuable knowledge and the certs are always a good way to move you up the in-tray, all else being equal.

Personally, I'd be inclined to agree but given the standard approach applied by agencies (and some clients) to CV reviews its usually a worthwhile addition; even more so if you are looking for work in the public sector.

[Peter Loew]

They're changing the format of the Practitioner exam. There are no longer three essay type questions. Now, just as the foundation is, the Practitioner will be in entirely multiple choice format.

P

[malvolio]

Yep I did mine that way, and 5 days intensive is pretty much the norm now. If you've already had PM experience you shouldn't find it too difficult to pass the practitioner exam at the end of 4 days training.

I'd recommend that you don't choose the easier option offered by some courses of just taking the foundation, it's not worth the paper its written on IMO.

Neither, from my perspective, is the Practitioner, TBH. I'd rather have people who have delivered real-world projects than people who have done a week's training!

But it is valuable knowledge and the certs are always a good way to move you up the in-tray, all else being equal.

[Ravello]

Yep I did mine that way, and 5 days intensive is pretty much the norm now. If you've already had PM experience you shouldn't find it too difficult to pass the practitioner exam at the end of 4 days training.

I'd recommend that you don't choose the easier option offered by some courses of just taking the foundation, it's not worth the paper its written on IMO.

[Sockpuppet]

I'll recommend Mavern Training. I did my PRINCE2 cert with them and it was first class all the way. http://www.maventraining.co.uk/