Reply to: 'Time-sheets'

[Zorba]

Why the hell are you posting the time in threads for?

Some people seem to find it amusing to try and be the last poster on all threads at a certain given time. I believe they call it 'thread domination'. It gets on my tits something rotten.

[wizard1974uk]

21:28

Why the hell are you posting the time in threads for?

[Let-Me-In]

21:28

[hyperD]

I'm sure Malvolio will correct me, but on his behalf, I'm sure filling in a timesheet is not necessarily a strong pointer to IR35, especially in light of you invoicing the client direct which is a risk factor in itself.

[RockyBalboa]

I have no problem filling in the 'time-sheet' putting in the number of days I have worked (not the hours).. which the agency is fine with. What I don't want is this to put me on dodgy ground in terms of IR35.

[chicane]

Then it's up to the agency to get that information from the client. It's nothing to do with the OP, who doesn't have any contract with the agency, so no obligation to fill out forms for them.

Seriously people ... is it always necessary to be so principled about these things? Sometimes it's easier to just accept things as they are and not rock the boat; if the work is acceptable and the money flows in, what's the harm in filling in a timesheet for the agency once a week?

[hyperD]

Some agencies ride on the advantage of the clients cash flow and use the timesheets to invoice the client based on your invoices.

You take the 30 day hit but have a fairly tight non-IR35 contract, the agent doesn't have the cash flow problems... it's pretty much like an extended intro fee.

I did this once...it was unusual for this particular client and eventually some bint from HR stuck her ignorant nose in this and complained (eventually, I managed after a period of time, drop the agency out and went direct for another project) also reprimanding the manager for this as well.

Since then I've been B2B...

HR always tend to intervene with their plastic view on business. I mean, what's a profit margin to these bunch of idealistic overheads...

[TheFaQQer]

That's a bit presumptuous. Quite possibly the agency bill the client a fee that depends on your time worked.

Then it's up to the agency to get that information from the client. It's nothing to do with the OP, who doesn't have any contract with the agency, so no obligation to fill out forms for them.

[Euro-commuter]

But if the contract is direct with client and the client pays you money directly, why are the agency getting involved? It is no longer anything to do with them....


Sounds a bit fishy tbh....

That's a bit presumptuous. Quite possibly the agency bill the client a fee that depends on your time worked.

[Bluebird]

So tell the agency where to go.

If you've got no contract with them, there is no need to fill in a timesheet for them.

my guess the agency don't know their A from their E and just assumr that everybody on their books has to fill in a timesheet.

[TheFaQQer]

The agency got me the role but the contract is direct with the client.

So tell the agency where to go.

If you've got no contract with them, there is no need to fill in a timesheet for them.

[chicane]

Hang on - if the agency got you the contract, but your contract is directly with the client, what is the agency getting out of this?

I would suspect that the agency will be billing the client an hourly rate based on the hours you work, but for whatever reason, the client has demanded a contract directly with you rather than through the agent for their own reasons.

[Ardesco]

But if the contract is direct with client and the client pays you money directly, why are the agency getting involved? It is no longer anything to do with them....


Sounds a bit fishy tbh....

[RockyBalboa]

The agency got me the role but the contract is direct with the client.

[Bluebird]

Why is the agency there then ?

Must be DA.