Reply to: What am I doing wrong?

[cojak]

Tip for you Snaw - write it in Notepad/KEdit first, then post...

[snaw]

Man I just spent 10 feckin minutes giving my insights into this subject and thought hey, I'll put it in bullet points and hey presto I lost the fecking lot.

Can't be arsed typing that all out again so in summary - good luck.

[oraclesmith]

cool! is there anything similar that developer can use ?

Go postal - that'll be 'load, aim and fire'

[MmarcoM]

cool! is there anything similar that developer can use ?

[oraclesmith]

I m just wondering...if i get the job, will they check every day mywork to make sure i am doing it properly?

regards
Marco

Yep. In management speak that's called the 'check and fire' round.

[freakydancer]

that is somewhat true !! although there is no point in sending someone for the role who obviously does not meet other requirements... Qualifications dont mean you can do the job... And certainly i dont want to waste my clients or my candidates valuable time...

Word matching is a CV forwarding service not a consultancy....

Do you have a techie backgound?

[MmarcoM]

sorry to let you down guys.
i thought too that this Word matching thingy is done only by JobHUnters....
until today..

got a phone interview with a financial institution today..

'It's a fire and reply round.. we ask you questions and we want a concise reply. Your words will be checked against what we have here to see if your reply is correct'

what a joke!

I m just wondering...if i get the job, will they check every day mywork to make sure i am doing it properly?

regards
Marco

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Never been interviewed by a pimp, never! Nor would I expect to. They are, for me, word matching monkeys comparing my CV with the spec. That's not criticism either, it's my experience (before anyone starts gobbing off!!)...

that is somewhat true !! although there is no point in sending someone for the role who obviously does not meet other requirements... Qualifications dont mean you can do the job... And certainly i dont want to waste my clients or my candidates valuable time...

Word matching is a CV forwarding service not a consultancy....

[lukemg]

Some excellent advice on this thread. You need to look at what job you are trying to get.
- Monkey support work is dead, anyone can plug a box in and they won't pay a premium for people to do it.
- You are 40, do you want to be humping kit around - errrr NO.
- There are NO barriers to entry to support work, every person who has a PC wants those jobs and will work for food.

Your ONLY chance is to push the PM stuff. Everyone in support has worked on roll-outs, new offices etc etc. Your CV needs to say you PM'd the projects and so do you.
You absolutely do need confidence and the ability to sell yourself, first to the agent, who then has confidence you can do the same to the client and will put you through. There are exceptions but not for the work you are after. You are keen, fresh and ready to get stuck in. Sort your CV out or get someone you respect to do it for you (many CV's are fairly terrible).
Hammer the job boards, twice during the day, follow up with phone calls, get some energy into it and look at permie work, I feel you might be more suited to this.
Good luck.

[MarillionFan]

Look the guy originally posted hasn't even been back. With all this great advice he is obviously too lazy to get a job then.

[oraclesmith]

For what it's worth, I've found that Jobsite is coming up with far more contacts than Jobserve. I get one or two agents phone me nearly every day with suitable opportunities.

I think it's because recruiters can do a keyword search (after all they are only word-matchers themselves!) and pick off a shortlist of CV's before actually looking at the CV's themselves. My CV is quite long so Jobsite helps them qualify my CV skills and experience without having to actually read it. If they have to visually scan lots of CV's themselves, then I guess the ones that don't meet their ideal visual style get binned.

You could also put out for permie jobs as well as some of them may be quite tempting and sometimes these can be made into contracts if they want you enough. If anything it helps your self-worth to get recruiters phoning you and not the other way round.

[Diestl]

Never been interviewed by a pimp, never! Nor would I expect to. They are, for me, word matching monkeys comparing my CV with the spec. That's not criticism either, it's my experience (before anyone starts gobbing off!!)...

I agree, I played around with my CV and by making the key skills I was targeting bold near the top, along with things like "successful delivery to large clients..".

Maybe there are lots of contracts for my skill set (C#,SQL,ASP.NET) and I don't need to try as hard. Once you have a few big name clients matched with good CV and confident assertive communication skills it should be no problem to land a contract with a decent rate IMHO.

[ratewhore]

...any recruiter worth his salt will be interviewing you for the role to see your suitability...

Never been interviewed by a pimp, never! Nor would I expect to. They are, for me, word matching monkeys comparing my CV with the spec. That's not criticism either, it's my experience (before anyone starts gobbing off!!)...

[Agent_Orange]

my point is agents only care if you have the technical skills, if all else is equal then banter with the agent may help.

It's true to an extent. Above all you need to have the right skills for the job, but by building a relationship/raporte with an agent, I think they are far more likely to remember you when roles do come up that suit you, and give you first refusal.

[Diestl]

Banter will get you the gig, not a list of technologies.

Remember you have to come across as somebody who will easily integrate with the team and be able to instantly build a good working relationship with anybody in the business.

If you sit through the interview looking like some tech geek who is scared to say boo to a ghost there is a good chance the other guy with an equally impressive CV (although some of it is a stretch of the truth) but ca blag away happily and make the interviewer feel like his best mate will get the gig.

There are loads of people out there with the same skills as you, but not everybody has the gift of the gab.

Depends on the role, if I was the employer looking for a programmer I would want the geek, not someone who talked all day and never got anything done.