Reply to: Unethical or normal

[cojak]

It's a pretty small world out there, so you might want to make sure that you don't burn your bridges.

I'm not say that you leave without grace and professionalism (not humming #one more week to go# every morning; training the next person, etc).

What I am saying is that you do leave if you have no wish to stay.

[TheFaQQer]

What goes round comes round.

It's a pretty small world out there, so you might want to make sure that you don't burn your bridges.

When I left my permie job, I made sure that if anyone wanted a reference (and they were mainly agencies rather than the end client) spoke to either my immediate boss (who I got on well with) or the contractors I worked with who they knew.

Most companies don't like handing out references anyway

When I left Oracle some years back, the only reference that they would give was to say when I started, when I left, and that there was no record of any disciplinary action on my record. Large companies are getting wary of giving some references, in case they get sued for giving a good reference for someone who turns out to be cack.

[wendigo100]

Indeed. If they still want you they'll pay up, otherwise move on. There's no obligation, so nothing unethical.

Absolutely true, but it is always best to try and leave on as good terms as possible. What goes round comes round.

[DeadKenny]

Or just renegotiate the contract and ask for more money

Indeed. If they still want you they'll pay up, otherwise move on. There's no obligation, so nothing unethical.

[cojak]

Agreed you don't NEED to provide an excuse at the end, but if you p*ss the client off, this MAY affect possible references wouldn't they?

I repeat Cowboy Bob - business is business. A client may indeed be irritated but anything more is coersion and bullying.

[Ardesco]

Nah, women can be very bitchy. Go for the male manager, you are more likely to get told where you stand.

[Adamski]

or HER!!! ;-)

[Ardesco]

Agreed you don't NEED to provide an excuse at the end, but if you p*ss the client off, this MAY affect possible references wouldn't they?

Most companies don't like handing out references anyway, the best way to get a reference is to get buddy with the manager above you, buy him a few drinks down the pub and get him to vouch for you personally.

[Cowboy Bob]

Agreed you don't NEED to provide an excuse at the end, but if you p*ss the client off, this MAY affect possible references wouldn't they?

Maybe, but it depends on what sector you're in. Personally, I've never been asked to supply references in order to get a gig. And if I did, I'd just get them from somewhere else.

[Adamski]

Agreed you don't NEED to provide an excuse at the end, but if you p*ss the client off, this MAY affect possible references wouldn't they?

[TheFaQQer]

I've just gone through a similar thing, as a not-long contractor.

Current client wants me to stay (after 3 1/2 months) but "due to budget constraints" they wouldn't offer more than a three week extension in January (I'm on holiday for the first week of the month). I'm not too fussed one way or the other about staying, so although hints had been made, I just smiled and nodded (almost as someone here advised).

Eventually we agreed two months with an increase, since they needed to keep me around more than I needed to stay - as lukemg says, you've got to be prepared to leave at the end. As Cojak says in this thread, at the end of a contract, you don't need to provide an excuse not to extend.

Faqqer

[Sockpuppet]

Thanks all...thats what I thought but suppose didn't quite sit right with me - have to get out of this permie loyalty mindset. Don't worry - am already half way there. Just felt a little guilty as the people are so nice here, but at the end of the day, if they think I'm worth it, they'll pay the rate, else am sure there will be other stuff around in the NY. Thanks for the advice tho all and have a nice evening!

You had loyalty as a permie? Wow...well makes one of us

[ratewhore]

wasn't there another adamski on here a while back?

[Adamski]

Thanks all...thats what I thought but suppose didn't quite sit right with me - have to get out of this permie loyalty mindset. Don't worry - am already half way there. Just felt a little guilty as the people are so nice here, but at the end of the day, if they think I'm worth it, they'll pay the rate, else am sure there will be other stuff around in the NY. Thanks for the advice tho all and have a nice evening!

[MarillionFan]

I do not go through a contract a month!

"but sat at home for 3 weeks getting a bit nervous thinking I had made a mistake. Anyway, eventually got offered a contract but the rate was substantially lower than my minimum"

When I give advise to people who want to contracting I always tell them, the second contract is more difficult to get than the first. Why?

Well you have given that exact reason. You normally tend to take anything on the first one, good or bad, normally bad. Then you have expectations for the 2nd, you want a better one, more money etc.

Good luck to you.