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Originally posted by Admanirv View PostI've done this several times. They say clients shouldn't discuss with the company what they are paying but most will if your rapport is good and they liked me.
I was on £450 per day and i found out i was getting charged out at £600 pd - it was a niche 'ish' IT contract. To me the recruitment companies are pimps simple as that.
When contract renewal came out, the recruitment guy said do you want to renew (with glee)? - i said well I've been looking about and RC people are ringing up about contracts back home which is cheaper for me thus I'll be on more money due to living at home. I said i wanted another £50 a day and they ummed/ahhed and came back with £25 i said sorry its borderline now, eventually i had to fill in some bulltulip form about my skills (playing their game) and they came back and agreed to pay £50 more a day so i was on £50 a more a day for 6 month, contract was extended 3 times after the second i never asked for more money.
As above it'll generally come out of their cut, this recruitment guy (who the company wasn't over keen on) went back the company and asked if they were willing to pay £50 more a day!!! - i specifically told him not do this beforehand as it wont look good and he will come across negatively. I don't have to tell you what happened and they didn't use that recruitment company again.
I feel the above is basic negotiating skills, they want you on their books and even if they decline/call your bluff give some BS excuse about liking the job etc and stay.
Cheers
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Originally posted by Admanirv View PostI've done this several times. They say clients shouldn't discuss with the company what they are paying but most will if your rapport is good and they liked me.
I was on £450 per day and i found out i was getting charged out at £600 pd - it was a niche 'ish' IT contract. To me the recruitment companies are pimps simple as that.
When contract renewal came out, the recruitment guy said do you want to renew (with glee)? - i said well I've been looking about and RC people are ringing up about contracts back home which is cheaper for me thus I'll be on more money due to living at home. I said i wanted another £50 a day and they ummed/ahhed and came back with £25 i said sorry its borderline now, eventually i had to fill in some bulltulip form about my skills (playing their game) and they came back and agreed to pay £50 more a day so i was on £50 a more a day for 6 month, contract was extended 3 times after the second i never asked for more money.
As above it'll generally come out of their cut, this recruitment guy (who the company wasn't over keen on) went back the company and asked if they were willing to pay £50 more a day!!! - i specifically told him not do this beforehand as it wont look good and he will come across negatively. I don't have to tell you what happened and they didn't use that recruitment company again.
I feel the above is basic negotiating skills, they want you on their books and even if they decline/call your bluff give some BS excuse about liking the job etc and stay.
Cheers
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I've done this several times. They say clients shouldn't discuss with the company what they are paying but most will if your rapport is good and they liked me.
I was on £450 per day and i found out i was getting charged out at £600 pd - it was a niche 'ish' IT contract. To me the recruitment companies are pimps simple as that.
When contract renewal came out, the recruitment guy said do you want to renew (with glee)? - i said well I've been looking about and RC people are ringing up about contracts back home which is cheaper for me thus I'll be on more money due to living at home. I said i wanted another £50 a day and they ummed/ahhed and came back with £25 i said sorry its borderline now, eventually i had to fill in some bulltulip form about my skills (playing their game) and they came back and agreed to pay £50 more a day so i was on £50 a more a day for 6 month, contract was extended 3 times after the second i never asked for more money.
As above it'll generally come out of their cut, this recruitment guy (who the company wasn't over keen on) went back the company and asked if they were willing to pay £50 more a day!!! - i specifically told him not do this beforehand as it wont look good and he will come across negatively. I don't have to tell you what happened and they didn't use that recruitment company again.
I feel the above is basic negotiating skills, they want you on their books and even if they decline/call your bluff give some BS excuse about liking the job etc and stay.
Cheers
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Originally posted by DallasDad View PostHumour me, under what scenario would any client agree to regularly pay a full day rate knowing the compactor is only working half a day.
I never bill by the half day - if I work, I bill for the day; if I don't work, I don't bill for the day. It's a fairly simple rule to follow.
In my last permie job, we closed early on Christmas Eve / last working day before Christmas, and fully expected the contractors to invoice for the full day.
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Originally posted by DallasDad View PostHumour me, under what scenario would any client agree to regularly pay a full day rate knowing the compactor is only working half a day...
I know of a service contract where the 3rd party was billing the client for full days when they'd only been on a 15 minute support call that day, as it was what was agreed in the contract. Any interaction resulted in a full day's billing. Kerching.
Of course when the fees started getting ridiculous for the actual service received, some of the management questioned the terms of the contract. I expect whoever agreed and signed it off at the client was either fully incompetent in their position or were taking a backhander, or both.
Never underestimate the incompetence or corruption of 'management'.
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Originally posted by MrMarkyMark View Post5 hours was considered to count as a full day on one of my past contracts.
It was written in.
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Originally posted by DallasDad View PostAn interesting thread
Humour me, under what scenario would any client agree to regularly pay a full day rate knowing the compactor is only working half a day.
That seems an act of folly or desperation.
Surely they could give him/her a broom or something to make use of the paid time, obviously assuming broom operation is included in said contract.
Or at least expect what they are paying for to me sitting bored rigid at a desk whilst twiddling their thumbs
Blooming weird this contracting lark. I have to deal with deranged and delusional psychotractors in foreign parts others get in this sort of confusing muddle,
It was written in.
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An interesting thread
Humour me, under what scenario would any client agree to regularly pay a full day rate knowing the compactor is only working half a day.
That seems an act of folly or desperation.
Surely they could give him/her a broom or something to make use of the paid time, obviously assuming broom operation is included in said contract.
Or at least expect what they are paying for to me sitting bored rigid at a desk whilst twiddling their thumbs
Blooming weird this contracting lark. I have to deal with deranged and delusional psychotractors in foreign parts others get in this sort of confusing muddle,
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostThere may be a clause in the contract which states you can't tell the clientCo how much you earn.
I personally always get that clause removed pointing out if clientCo management responsible for payment ask I will tell them as the agency don't have anything to hide and no-one else as it is none of their fecking business.
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Originally posted by northernladyuk View PostThat is a very purist contractual view. From a reputational perspective, it is very much to do with you.
Any contract I've ever had has had a daily rate for a PWD with no mention of half-days, but common sense has always prevailed when half a day is worked, recorded in a timesheet and represented in an invoice.
If the agent is behaving like this, I would be showing the end client my timesheets and invoices.
I personally always get that clause removed pointing out if clientCo management responsible for payment ask I will tell them as the agency don't have anything to hide and no-one else as it is none of their fecking business.
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostI would let the client and agency sort it out. Find out how much the agency are charging the client. When the client sacks the agency and wants you to go direct, up your rate.
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Originally posted by TheFaQQer View PostWhat does your contract say about billing - is it by the hour, half-day or day? What does the contract between the client and the agency state about billing?
At the end of the day, it's nothing to do with you as long as you are invoicing the agency correctly. How the agency processes your invoice is a matter for the agency and client to resolve.
Any contract I've ever had has had a daily rate for a PWD with no mention of half-days, but common sense has always prevailed when half a day is worked, recorded in a timesheet and represented in an invoice.
If the agent is behaving like this, I would be showing the end client my timesheets and invoices.
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostWhat do Clientco HR propose to do?
I was in a vaguely similar situation before. Clientco HR forced the agency to re-imburse all affected contractors. The agent got sacked.
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