Reply to: Hired as a BA, working as a hybrid BA/PM... What to do

[blueislander]

Stripped back the role which I am fine with!

[radish2008]

Hahah, like I said, I'm still new lol.

In about 7 years you'll realise IR35 is a load of bollox.

[northernladuk]

I was referring in the context of IR35 that it shows good to be flexible.

No it doesn't. It shows D&C and maybe even part and parcel. Permies are flexible and can be given different tasks so it's not good from an IR35 perspective.

[kaiser78]

Contract states "security business analyst". I've seen the resources forecast document for the year and I am clearly listed as pm/ba. Every other PM has a BA working for them whereas I am doing both solo. I'm not bothered about doing two for the price of one so long as the contract reflects the rate and title is commensurate with the role. Working on the cheap hurts me in multiple ways and is a bit of a Mickey take that they have actively listed me as a PM but hired me just a few weeks ago as a BA.

I was referring in the context of IR35 that it shows good to be flexible.

[northernladyuk]

Had the chat, worked it out and job done. More a misunderstanding than anything it seems but the amendments will reflect it.

Cheers all.

Are you getting more money or no longer doing PM work?

[blueislander]

Had the chat, worked it out and job done. More a misunderstanding than anything it seems but the amendments will reflect it.

Cheers all.

[sal]

My thoughts as well. I am speaking to the agency liason this afternoon, then it up to the programme manager to decide what be wants to do really.

If I had previous experience/relationship with the client I wouldn't rely on the agency drone to do the negotiations on my behalf and agree principal increase with the client directly then let the agency know the good news.

[blueislander]

Sadly no rate information. I just want the contract to reflect the role and my day to day duties to reflect that contract.

Think the boss wants two for the price of one and twice as cheap!

[northernladyuk]

Got a chat this afternoon. Wrote an email explaining the position of my liability and the role as it presently stands. My boss can be reasonable or unreasonable, that's in his gift I suppose but I'm more than prepared to call their bluff

Probably not a good idea showing me a resource planner that confirms what they see me as either!

Does it have the rate they're paying agency?

[blueislander]

Got a chat this afternoon. Wrote an email explaining the position of my liability and the role as it presently stands. My boss can be reasonable or unreasonable, that's in his gift I suppose but I'm more than prepared to call their bluff

Probably not a good idea showing me a resource planner that confirms what they see me as either!

[l35kee]

I'll say... Job description????

Hahah, like I said, I'm still new lol.

What I actually meant was the schedule of work (or assignment schedule) :P

On the flipside this also though shows flexibility as a contractor in the role (moreso than a permie), which is a good indicator to have.

I'm not sure it is though from an IR35 perspective though? Acting as a PM on a project when not actually a PM is something very permie like, happened a hell of a lot in my permie experience anyway.

[northernladyuk]

This or do only BA, I suppose are your options. As you've worked there before and presumably have a decent relationship this should be an easier conversation. I did the same at my last client, the role had changed, so the contract was changed to reflect this with a new rate, easier for me as it was at renewal time.

Sure, but it's a sales opportunity. Perhaps say: Happy to do role as advertised for agreed rate or I can do new role for this rate.

It's a bugger getting clients to understand this kind of thing. They just see that they're buying a person, so you need to get across that they're not getting an inflated rate for the BA/ PM role, but that they were getting a discounted rate for the BA role. IIRC one of the job boards or someone produces stats for average rates for different contract role types. May be a useful prop (unless you're well over average already!)

Interesting one - let us know how it turns out

[blueislander]

On the flipside this also though shows flexibility as a contractor in the role (moreso than a permie), which is a good indicator to have.

Contract states "security business analyst". I've seen the resources forecast document for the year and I am clearly listed as pm/ba. Every other PM has a BA working for them whereas I am doing both solo. I'm not bothered about doing two for the price of one so long as the contract reflects the rate and title is commensurate with the role. Working on the cheap hurts me in multiple ways and is a bit of a Mickey take that they have actively listed me as a PM but hired me just a few weeks ago as a BA.

[kaiser78]

This is also pretty bad for IR35 too I think? Doing something that was not in your job description, like you said, is extremely permie like. A resource to be used as and when needs come up, rather than a resource used for a specific need and only that need.

Disclaimer: IR35 noobie.

On the flipside this also though shows flexibility as a contractor in the role (moreso than a permie), which is a good indicator to have.

[northernladuk]

This is also pretty bad for IR35 too I think? Doing something that was not in your job description, like you said, is extremely permie like. A resource to be used as and when needs come up, rather than a resource used for a specific need and only that need.

Disclaimer: IR35 noobie.

I'll say... Job description????