Reply to: (yet another thread about) Back to perm offer

[deeh]

Woo, loadsa money, take the perm job!

Well, looks like I ballsed that up

1. Be told dull contract isn't being renewed
2. Start shopping around
3. Notice interesting perm job. Get interview
4. Get offered dull perm job
5. Fob off dull perm job waiting for interesting job
6. Get to final stages of interesting job
7. Fob off dull perm job
8. Interesting job still sounding positive (not just recruiting fluff, actually positive)
(repeat steps 7 and 8 for a while. a while more. hmm, this is less promising)
9. Interesting job falls through
10. Dull job now re-spec'd as dev role (I'm not a dev) at a salary I wouldn't take.


Maybe it's time for a holiday after all

[BoggyMcCBoggyFace]

I think most companies would tell them to FO.

Turns out they didn't need HR to tell them, they believe now HMRC used the NI number they gave the agent the NI number as identifier when they contracted, not sure how HMRC were aware of the NI number though may be some agency reporting, NI number was then identified as PAYE when they were perm, general view is HMRC didn't have all the pieces of info to be sure but enough to make them ask the person the questions. The HMRC systems behind the scenes seem to be pretty smart at picking up things thay may suggest X or Y.

[northernladuk]

£110K perm. I'd be moaning about it.

FTFY

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

£110K perm. I'd never be offerred it.

[psychocandy]

£110K perm. I'd be taking it.

[radish2008]

Depends who deals with them.

If it's HR then they say too much.

I would hope the fear of litigation might quieten them a little.

[SueEllen]

I think most companies would tell them to FO.

Depends who deals with them.

If it's HR then they say too much.

[radish2008]

Yeah I know others who went contract to perm in same role and never heard a thing, the people I know of are at one client and they operated via an agency not direct before going perm, they also only went perm about 5 months ago, HMRC started asking questions with 3 months of going perm. I really don't know how HMRC identified them, the people it impacts think it was may be some agency reporting I don't know, could be a p*ssed off a permy grassing them up. I can see it being an easy target though for HMRC go to employers and ask who went contract to perm, gives them a targeted list.

HMRC wrecked contracting it sucks.

I think most companies would tell them to FO.

[BoggyMcCBoggyFace]

Just out of interest, I read recently your chances of being investigated by HMRC are about 60k to 1. They win practically none. So it's likely just a straight info request. I know people who have gone contract to perm at the same bank and heard nothing. I doubt very much the bank will even respond unless it's a legal request and done under a formal investigation. I've also been contracting for 9 years now and IR35 has been around all that time, nothing much has changed at all., it's still as practically impossible to prosecute as it always was. And the IR35 warriors are just seem to be adding to the hysteria. Every other post has some warning about IR35 but how many people have ever been successfully prosecuted ?

Yeah I know others who went contract to perm in same role and never heard a thing, the people I know of are at one client and they operated via an agency not direct before going perm, they also only went perm about 5 months ago, HMRC started asking questions with 3 months of going perm. I really don't know how HMRC identified them, the people it impacts think it was may be some agency reporting I don't know, could be a p*ssed off a permy grassing them up. I can see it being an easy target though for HMRC go to employers and ask who went contract to perm, gives them a targeted list.

HMRC wrecked contracting it sucks.

[SueEllen]

Ah absolutey yes. Didn't one of our regular'ish posters mention on here it took 3 years to drop.. Yuk.

I think the time to drop them varies from just over a year to what you mentioned, as I remember about 3 regular'ish posters mentioning it.

Generally if all the clients' you have contracted with are on the ball and simply say look at the contract, they have difficulty digging.

[northernladuk]

Or whose cases are quietly dropped.

There are posters on here who were put through loads of stress but because of their insurance HMRC quietly dropped their cases.

Ah absolutey yes. Didn't one of our regular'ish posters mention on here it took 3 years to drop.. Yuk.

[SueEllen]

But that doesn't include who settles

Or whose cases are quietly dropped.

There are posters on here who were put through loads of stress but because of their insurance HMRC quietly dropped their cases.

[radish2008]

But that doesn't include who settles. QDOS and sure IPSE have been on here and said they were pretty busy with cases so it's not like they sit there twiddling their thumbs.

I don't think the JlJ cases helps though as it was a partial win so there is some evidence it's not risk free now.

I would love to see some figures though from anyone on exactly how many cases that are brought by HMRC are successful. Anyone from QDOS or IPSE want to comment ?

[northernladuk]

But that doesn't include who settles. QDOS and sure IPSE have been on here and said they were pretty busy with cases so it's not like they sit there twiddling their thumbs.

I don't think the JlJ cases helps though as it was a partial win so there is some evidence it's not risk free now.

[radish2008]

This, HMRC do seem to be taking a closer look at this, I know a few people went contract to perm at my current place who have had coms form the HMRC regarding it and the client now there employer is also being asked to provide info, it looks like some how HMRC is now getting info on people who do go contract to perm may be the client has to report it now.

Just out of interest, I read recently your chances of being investigated by HMRC are about 60k to 1. They win practically none. So it's likely just a straight info request. I know people who have gone contract to perm at the same bank and heard nothing. I doubt very much the bank will even respond unless it's a legal request and done under a formal investigation. I've also been contracting for 9 years now and IR35 has been around all that time, nothing much has changed at all., it's still as practically impossible to prosecute as it always was. And the IR35 warriors are just seem to be adding to the hysteria. Every other post has some warning about IR35 but how many people have ever been successfully prosecuted ?