Reply to: Boring/Not much work to do in current contract

[SueEllen]

You can disagree but it’s the way they work. If it's not a UK thinking probably is the reason why they put foreigners in the IT Consultant firms in London. Excellent for the immigrants.

No it's because UK people don't want the jobs for the level of pay and carp they give.

[wantacontract]

it's just this contract, next one could have you jumping around working 70 hours plus and stressed to the max....it's like a box of chocolates.....

as for advice, just keep on billing....

[Bee]

This isn't a UK thing though.

You can disagree but it’s the way they work. If it's not a UK thinking probably is the reason why they put foreigners in the IT Consultant firms in London. Excellent for the immigrants.

[LondonManc]

If you are talking about my post its totally true.
Consultancies use contractors as a last resort, usually when one of their inexperienced graduates, or Indian imports won't do.
The other reason is because all the guys that are experienced are on another site.
Why? Simply because they want to buy the experienced person and they have no choice.

As I have stated before, your comments are often really quite worthless on here, as you just do not have the UK contracting experience.
In fact 90% of the time, you will just confuse or mislead a poster.

You can delude yourself you are being helpful and we are all wrong, but that's purely up to you.

Contractors are also used when the consultancy can't sell a big team in; with a 2-4 person team, they need all players to hit the ground running without a hive mentality so get contractors in. A good job done by all can often lead to repeat business and bigger team, where the clients gets the pleasant surprise that they aren't getting 20 superstars this time round

[MrMarkyMark]

Bee, you're not related to Roger Irrelevant are you?

[SueEllen]

Yes, the Consultant companies has to have big margins but they need to invest in your trainings and pay you food and accommodation if you have an assignment far from your home, cleaning lady etc... Some consultants are good, some are crap, and like some contractors are good and some are crap.

Permies use to hate consultancies and contractors, and there are tons of contractors with permie mentality that hurts my heart.

The best way to start a career and gain experience for a future contractor is in a Consultant company as a permie. If you are not good in your deliverables or deal with the clients you are out in a couple of months.

This isn't a UK thing though.

[northernladuk]

Yes, the Consultant companies has to have big margins but they need to invest in your trainings and pay you food and accommodation if you have an assignment far from your home, cleaning lady etc... Some consultants are good, some are crap, and like some contractors are good and some are crap.

Permies use to hate consultancies and contractors, and there are tons of contractors with permie mentality that hurts my heart.

The best way to start a career and gain experience for a future contractor is in a Consultant company as a permie. If you are not good in your deliverables or deal with the clients you are out in a couple of months.

Wow.... Just wow. :

[Bee]

Absolutely right. My friend is a "Client Director" at a big Indian consultancy. His corporate rules say he has to make a 30 - 40% margin on all placed staff.

So they only place UK contractors for as short a time as possible whilst scouring their "Bench" in India for a suitable replacement.

Yes, the Consultant companies has to have big margins but they need to invest in your trainings and pay you food and accommodation if you have an assignment far from your home, cleaning lady etc... Some consultants are good, some are crap, and like some contractors are good and some are crap.

Permies use to hate consultancies and contractors, and there are tons of contractors with permie mentality that hurts my heart.

The best way to start a career and gain experience for a future contractor is in a Consultant company as a permie. If you are not good in your deliverables or deal with the clients you are out in a couple of months.

[MrMarkyMark]

Any actual real comment to actually add, or should I just take the advice as per your signature?

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

Absolutely right. My friend is a "Client Director" at a big Indian consultancy. His corporate rules say he has to make a 30 - 40% margin on all placed staff.

So they only place UK contractors for as short a time as possible whilst scouring their "Bench" in India for a suitable replacement.

That's the way it works, at least for us in the real world.

Current Client Co has to discuss every London based contractor role, at a monthly board, it has to be justified as to why the role can't be sourced in Poland.

[tomtomagain]

Consultancies use contractors as a last resort, usually when one of their inexperienced graduates, or Indian imports won't do.

Absolutely right. My friend is a "Client Director" at a big Indian consultancy. His corporate rules say he has to make a 30 - 40% margin on all placed staff.

So they only place UK contractors for as short a time as possible whilst scouring their "Bench" in India for a suitable replacement.

[Bee]

[MrMarkyMark]

Unbelievable!!

If you are talking about my post its totally true.
Consultancies use contractors as a last resort, usually when one of their inexperienced graduates, or Indian imports won't do.
The other reason is because all the guys that are experienced are on another site.
Why? Simply because they want to buy the experienced person and they have no choice.

As I have stated before, your comments are often really quite worthless on here, as you just do not have the UK contracting experience.
In fact 90% of the time, you will just confuse or mislead a poster.

You can delude yourself you are being helpful and we are all wrong, but that's purely up to you.

[Bee]

Unbelievable!!

[northernladuk]

To be fair the comment about client getting contractors to do work permies don't want to was highly question at best as well.

[MrMarkyMark]

Some times the clients hire contractors to do what the permies don't want to do. I would start to find another contract ASAP. The ideal is to try consultant companies or software houses where you can learn and gain experience faster.

You mean as a perm, right?

Why do you think consultancy or software companies are going to let him train himself up on the job, as a contractor?
If that's his game, he has more chance where he currently is, TBH.

Have you ever contracted for a consultancy, if so you should know better?
I have contracted for 5 consultancies and a software company, they always want their pound of flesh and delivery, you will out ASAP if you don't know your stuff.


Not good advice at all, IMO