Reply to: Hays not changing contract

[northernladuk]

Wouldn't get out of bed for a rate that low , That said I don't live in the same Parallel Universe that PC does and have never had any of the 'mares he seems to have on a regular basis!

No one does.....

[SlipTheJab]

Really? You throw 400 quid a day away and bench yourself because a bad man said a rude word to you?

Wouldn't get out of bed for a rate that low , That said I don't live in the same Parallel Universe that PC does and have never had any of the 'mares he seems to have on a regular basis!

[psychocandy]

If an agent tells you to sign a contract you haven't seen ask them if they want the contract to be legally binding.

Wait and let them come out with their rubbish about other contractors.

Then tell them straight that if one party has not had a chance to review the contract, read the terms and agree it then it is not legally binding.

I remember at the time saying "umm no we'll wait for the contract then shall we? Suggest you get it over to me asap".

This was 2pm one day. By next morning they still hadn't sent it to me. Excuse - the admin person hadnt had chance to do it yet. Really important to you then!

When it turn up at about 1pm that day the pimp rang literally 10 mins later asking if I could sign and send it back. Nah mate give it a day or two for review and I'll get back to you...

That went down well but it was good fun.

Luckily, client I was with at the time knew the score that I had something else on the go. Good as gold they were. Knew their rate (it was NHS) was REALLY crap and knew people only stayed for short term. Client manager actually said good for you and all the best when I said I wasnt extending.....

So I had an extension in a week or so to fall back on if this went wrong.

[northernladuk]

I must admit if a pimp swore at me I would be telling him to shove his contract up his ar$e and informing the client why I wasn't taking the gig.

Really? You throw 400 quid a day away and bench yourself because a bad man said a rude word to you?

[psychocandy]

<nluk>to be fair he probably knew you by then, you jsa claiming waster!</nluk>

[SueEllen]

This is PC we are talking about, I actually feel sorry for the agent

Harsh but....

[MrMarkyMark]

I must admit if a pimp swore at me I would be telling him to shove his contract up his ar$e and informing the client why I wasn't taking the gig.

This is PC we are talking about, I actually feel sorry for the agent

[SueEllen]

If an agent tells you to sign a contract you haven't seen ask them if they want the contract to be legally binding.

Wait and let them come out with their rubbish about other contractors.

Then tell them straight that if one party has not had a chance to review the contract, read the terms and agree it then it is not legally binding.

[missinggreenfields]

Yep same with me. Agent swore at me, called me names and all sorts.

<nluk>to be fair he probably knew you by then, you jsa claiming waster!</nluk>

[SlipTheJab]

Yep same with me. Agent swore at me, called me names and all sorts. They actually tried to get me to sign a contract I hadnt even seen.

I ended up speaking to an area manager and asked him if they wanted to do business or not without pissing around. It did get sorted then.

BUT, for other reasons, agent turned out to be the biggest crook/liar I've ever met so I'd avoid now if I can.

I must admit if a pimp swore at me I would be telling him to shove his contract up his ar$e and informing the client why I wasn't taking the gig.

[psychocandy]

I had a fairly heated spat with Hayes a few years back. Went all the way to the top of their tree to get the contract moved to reflect the fact that I'm not a temp. Their attitude was sign the contract bitch...

I told them to jog on and the advised the end client why I would not be joining them.

Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole

Yep same with me. Agent swore at me, called me names and all sorts. They actually tried to get me to sign a contract I hadnt even seen.

I ended up speaking to an area manager and asked him if they wanted to do business or not without pissing around. It did get sorted then.

BUT, for other reasons, agent turned out to be the biggest crook/liar I've ever met so I'd avoid now if I can.

[psychocandy]

I am having to reclarify the impact of not asking for permission for non working days in case this is not convenient to the client - now awaiting client to agree the wording on that clarification. The Hays contract says that permission is needed yet all the time I have not worked since starting this gig I have not asked permission I have just notified the client that I am not working.

Be careful with this one. Dont ask for leave but no client wants a contractor who throws his weight around and fails to show when it suits them. I always play it with client like "these are my plans, any problems with you". 99.99% its no problem and client likes it that you considered them.

Don't even consider leaving clause in contract that you've got to ask agent. Think about it - clients not bothered if you take time off as long as its not inconvenient for them. Actually saves them a few quid. Agent, on the other hand, loses money if you take a day off so it suits them to say no from time to time.

Had one agent who moaned I had to ask them for permission (it wasnt in the contract!). I said no I don't I'll sort it with the client thank you but if you're really interested I'll email you to inform you.

So first time, I emailed agent something like "off for these days". Got an email back - "yes happy to authorise that". I replied "umm no remember our conversation". Same thing happened next time. So I stopped emailing them. They moaned about non-authorised time off of course when they saw the timesheets but I just ignored them from then on in.

[northernladuk]

It's all very good pushing them to change it but if it doesn't reflect the working practices you are just wasting your time.

[bobspud]

I had a fairly heated spat with Hayes a few years back. Went all the way to the top of their tree to get the contract moved to reflect the fact that I'm not a temp. Their attitude was sign the contract bitch...

I told them to jog on and the advised the end client why I would not be joining them.

Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole

[MPwannadecentincome]

So it failed on both contract AND practices? Who is clarifying this miracle that you need?

I am having to reclarify the impact of not asking for permission for non working days in case this is not convenient to the client - now awaiting client to agree the wording on that clarification. The Hays contract says that permission is needed yet all the time I have not worked since starting this gig I have not asked permission I have just notified the client that I am not working.