Reply to: Serious Question

[t0bytoo]

Wrong analogy here milan.

Anyone can take a diving course in few days - it takes rather longer to be the instructor running the diving course...

But John already said that...

cojak - BSAC OW Instructor

Sadly, not long enough in some cases - speaking as a padi "professional"

[cojak]

Is it like for example PADI diving courses where you can do each level crammed in a few days, or is it like a degree where you have to constantly study for x number of years ?

Wrong analogy here milan.

Anyone can take a diving course in few days - it takes rather longer to be the instructor running the diving course...

But John already said that...

cojak - BSAC OW Instructor

[AtW]

It does not matter if they dump you after some time - you got the job you wanted and I hope you will gain commercial experience with whatever tech you wanted, .NET? Try to use C#, some permies may not grasp the imporant so explain that it is in THEIR interest to use C# rather than VB.net because they are very close, but it will look better on their CVs.

[Shimano105]

Oooh my head hurts this morning...

When I went permy (briefly) before, I had to keep pushing the "settle down blah blah " line to convince them, strangely this time they didn't really pursue the contractor to permy thing. Maybe they will dump me after the main project is done, which isn't a big deal if you have the contractor mindset

Beer in the post.

[theITcoach.biz]

Shim,
John,

yep,

I think nobody can say they don't need help with interviews

Can you give any interview tips ?

how long are the training courses to become a life coach ?

Is it like for example PADI diving courses where you can do each level crammed in a few days, or is it like a degree where you have to constantly study for x number of years ?

Milan.

Milan,

Coaching courses vary tremendously in quality and cost. Some do a weekend cram and then coursework & practicals over the year. Some do weekends over the year.

I have found, like most things, that real life is the best teacher. You can learn all the models and techniques, but when someone sits down and tries to convince you why they CAN'T do what they want to do, it's usually best to think on your feet.

My own training has been over 10 years doing NLP and coaching.

Interview tips? Yes, loads. What do you want to know?

All the best
John

[milanbenes]

Shim,

for the benefit of us lesser mortals can you advise how you
convinced the permy company to hire an ex contractor.

Thanks,

Milan.

[milanbenes]

Shim,

excellent news, you know what you have to do now. And
after you've bought me the beer get stuck into buying books
and making some efforts, study the contracting market, look
where it's going look where is the easiest life/highest money
and in reach of x training in your permy role and head for that
destination.


John,

yep,

I think nobody can say they don't need help with interviews

Can you give any interview tips ?

how long are the training courses to become a life coach ?

Is it like for example PADI diving courses where you can do each level crammed in a few days, or is it like a degree where you have to constantly study for x number of years ?

Milan.

[theITcoach.biz]

just had a look at your site, this is a very interesting subject and it is surprising how many people have no clue how to get in control of their lives and destiny and how to take the driving seat

Milan,

It's not so much "having no clue". Some of it is "I'm in this situation, and I've tried different things and it's just not happening. What can I do?". Or, perhaps, "How can I handle this situation better?" Or even, "I've had it with IT, what next?"

For example, one of the areas I'm interested in is contract interviews. The thing is, if you find you are getting the interviews, but not the job, what do you do? Having interviewed loads of contractors for jobs, often they tried to meet criteria that didn't exist, and failed to meet criteria that did!

This shifted my own approach completely.

One of the best ways to learn about what's required in an interview, is to interview others. If anyone gets the opportunity, they should grab it.

All the best
John

[Shimano105]

Well, landed a perm job which is decent money (for the Norf) and supposedly will get me x-trained.

Even if not it seems a good team and is in a good location so will have a few shandies tonight on the back of it.

Thanks all for your efforts in getting Shim back on the rails and teaching him to keep his pecker up!

[theITcoach.biz]

Hadn't looked at this thread until now, but having read parts of it I have to say that milan has offered some good and forthright opinion.

I agree with others that IT is sometimes something of a b*tch, that always changes her mind about what's wanted. And in that case it certainly isn't like other professions where people don't find they suddenly can't be a GP because they didn't know about xyz coming out next year. Indeed I know people who haved moved out of it simply because of that alone.

If you see it for what it is though then it offers opportunities that a lot of people don't have, and yep, sometimes that requires a bit of motivation/repositioning to ensure you get what you want.

As one of the oldies here so I should know, having moved over the years from a VAX/VMS Cobol developer to a so called 'internet architect' suprising all the young'ns by their lack of knowledge of what xyz 2.0 can or can not do.

Dear Joe,

You brought back some memories!

Cheers
John

[Joe Black]

Hadn't looked at this thread until now, but having read parts of it I have to say that milan has offered some good and forthright opinion.

I agree with others that IT is sometimes something of a b*tch, that always changes her mind about what's wanted. And in that case it certainly isn't like other professions where people don't find they suddenly can't be a GP because they didn't know about xyz coming out next year. Indeed I know people who haved moved out of it simply because of that alone.

If you see it for what it is though then it offers opportunities that a lot of people don't have, and yep, sometimes that requires a bit of motivation/repositioning to ensure you get what you want.

As one of the oldies here so I should know, having moved over the years from a VAX/VMS Cobol developer to a so called 'internet architect' suprising all the young'ns by their lack of knowledge of what xyz 2.0 can or can not do.

[milanbenes]

unfortunately John, all learn't the hard way but that's life isn't it

surely if we can go through life not making the same mistake twice we will get to where we want to go

just had a look at your site, this is a very interesting subject and it is surprising how many people have no clue how to get in control of their lives and destiny and how to take the driving seat

all the best,

Milan.

[theITcoach.biz]

anyway who cares this is a tiny technicality and nothing to do with the main goal, take the hit, get back in, and then move forward.
Milan.

Milan,

You speak a lot of sense.

About 6/7 years ago, I had to leave a contract because of a serious eye problem. Doctor's said it would be over year. To cut a long story short, it was 3 months. Anyhow, getting back into the industry can take time depending on the skill set and what self-imposed limitations (such as location) might have to be loosened.

In the end, after some re-training and using the network of people I'd known over the years, I managed to get an interview and got the contract.

What I learned in that little episode, was that there is little point pissing & moaning about the circumstances, because that isn't going to pay the mortgage.

You have to do whatever it takes to get back into work, if THAT is really what you want.

Cheers
John

[Buffoon]

In one of those ‘uninspired’ moments I had a poke around MSDN and found ‘the next big thing’.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=206574

http://msdn.microsoft.com/robotics/

It looks fun at least. Now, how can we make money with it?

[milanbenes]

let's think about it a different way, what if the market maker, (agent) is playing you off against another, the client is happy with you both, the other man wants more, the market maker will take you as he has more commission.

anyway who cares this is a tiny technicality and nothing to do with the main goal, take the hit, get back in, and then move forward.

Milan.